WoW!!! This has really taken a negative direction between two of KT's finest! Well, I'm not here alot but I think I gotta chime in! What I have to say maybe nothing more than rambling..be forewarned! LOL!! The age old battle of losing weight. I'M AN EXPERT at trying!!! I don't have a clue what it's like to have only 5-10 lbs. to lose. Nope it's a whole lot more than that. So, I can't identify with Flamey. I don't know what it's like to lose 150 lbs., so I can't identify with Granlan either(I honestly wish I could).But I can identify with Gran on this. I also know peeps that will spit and sputter about 5-10 lbs. just to fish for compliments and those peeps after about the second time, will fall off my radar screen. I don't think Flamey was doing that or rubbing this in anyone's nose. If she feels comfortable weighing 5-10 lbs. less, then that is her choice. I think her original point was just letting others know about this TV show and discussing it. Yet on the other hand Gran, I don't think anyone here including myself know how hard you worked and the determination it took to achieve what you did. I too kind of think that the peeps that have 5-10 lbs. to lose, aren't struggling half as much as those of us who have 100 or more lbs. to lose. Heck, half of their excess could even be the dreaded 'water weight' that we all know and have heard about. But there again, I have never been in their shoes. But they also have never been in the situation of having to lose a vast amount of weight. So, I honestly think nobody knows the others personal challenges and battles they are fighting. What one sees as a mere drop in the bucket, someone else might see it as insurmountable. But my words to Flamey and others, realize that Gran and I and possibly others do think that sometimes thin people just don't seem to understand that 5-10 lbs. does sound petty to those of us who have/need to lose 10 times that. And yes, I would bet that those of us who do need to lose that amount of weight have kicked ourselves many times over for not dealing with this when it was only 5-10 lbs. We have beaten ourselves up over this time and time again and anybody who looks at us know we need to lose weight, yet looking at Flamey, we can't see that through the same eyes as you do. We can't comprehend the magnitude of their obsession with those few lbs. So, Gran, I can identify and understand what you meant in your original post to Flamey.

I was happy to see Vince go because his ego and paranoia were already out of control. I was surprised that Will? voted the way he did, not sure why. Was it because Nina told him that Vince thought he was having a hard time physically? Just an aside. Why can't these people wear bathing suits or swimming trunks. I really hate to see the men walking around flapping in the breeze and the women in bras that barely fit. They know they are going on Survivor and they will be somewhere warm, usually tropical. Wouldn't a bathing suit be the first thing you pack?

i strongly agree with virgil about the real work done on these shoes i have to say, i really hope they change hgtv shows. i know theres a thread somewhere on here all about hgtv but im sick and done with the fake happy couples who happen to mysteriously have ginormous amounts of money to flip and renovate homes into ugly houses for the fools who are on the show its the same s*it all over and over day after day, just different couples doing the same decorating and "designing" when we know all the TRUE work is done by engineers, architects, contractors, plumbers, electricians, handymen, house stagers and interior designers who work with them. you know....the little people

My perspective about Jesus is different to what it was when I was young. When I was a little boy, a picture of 'Jesus' was displayed on the church wall and I thought it was a representation of his likeness. I never questioned it because no one else did either; All accepted it as a good representation. Its reality was never discussed with us children. It was one of those things we grew up with and assumed it was factual. It was not! It was church art. Now, I am in my elder years and finally realize that no one alive alive today knows the likeness of Jesus. What we saw as children was an artist's view of a sincere man, one who was concerned about people. In "white" churches, he is depicted as a white man; In other places, he may have different skin color. Due to his location and parentage, he may have had olive colored skin. The truth is, no one today knows, with accuracy, what his physical features were.