Debate: Leaving dogs in the car unattended
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Comments (76)krazee - please. First, you are in south CA. You're not going to have blackspot anyway. Ever wonder why the rose companies are located in CA and not on the east coast? So the idea of urine spray as a fungus deterrent is utterly irrelevant because you're not dealing with any of the disease pressures people in humid areas are. Second, can you explain exactly why urine, which is basically a source of salts and amino acids, excess dietary constituents like vitamins, and any drugs or their derivatives, will fight blackspot? And if you have a bacterial infection, say a urinary tract infection, or AIDS, swine flu, etc., how will that additional disease help fight blackspot? In fact it won't. You might actually want to learn a little more about plant biology before making the kinds of claims you're making. And also public health! People used to spread their feces and urine and everything else around. In fact, they called it "nightsoil" and dumped their chamber pots out the window. And we used to have the occasional outbreak of cholera or bubonic plague to contend with. The finished organic compounds need to be broken down into their constituent parts to be safe for the public but more importantly, assuming that you really do care about your plants, they need to be broken down so that they can be used by the plant! If you plant a fish with your corn, the way the Pilgrims were supposedly taught by the Indians, the corn doesn't suck the fish up into the stalk. The fish breaks down and the compounds are taken up. In the same way, I take my rose clippings, compost them, and they become once again available to the rose. The pink rose doesn't simply suck up the red one out of the earth. Exactly the same thing has to happen to human waste, after which point, it is just fine to use. But the reason we have kidneys is to help our bodies eliminate waste and toxins. You are advocating spreading those toxins around on the soil willy nilly. So someone with cancer, who is undergoing chemotherapy, should be spreading that chemo around? Carrying this to its logical end-point, one has to condluce that it is not necessary to wash. If human waste is to be recycled in a raw state, one has to assume that there is no health risk from it regardless of the type of disease your neighbor may have. And if there is no risk of infection or anything else from it, there is no health benefit associated with hand washing, which then becomes simply a cosmetic affectation. My suggestion is to go to a homeless shelter in a big city. You need not come to New York, although that might be the best. Take a look at the drug addicts and the crazies who show up each night. Breathe the brisk aroma. Some of them may even have TB. They haven't taken all of their medication so the TB has developed into a strain that is resistant to known medication. They urinate pretty much wherever they are. Because we are so silly, we want to prevent infection from spreading. As a result, we actually have quarantine units for the people who spread disease. The air is filtered going in and out of the unit and so is the water. The public health risk is considered too great to allow the people to roam freely until treated. Under your scenario, this is all wrong....See MoreHorrible deaths by vicious dogs -- 3 people in 2 days
Comments (77)cjhwillis, First off, I would like to point out that while a Doberman or a Rottie may not be a "Bully Dog" most people certainly consider them one. I work with a local Bully Breed rescue and trust me, any large mean looking dog is considered a Bully Breed by the general public. Point made since you are the first one to dispute this classification! :-) Also, when I was naming all the large breeds you mentioned I was doing so because the OP had stated that all dogs large enough to kill should be eradicated!!!!!! In addition, the Doberman also comes from Great Dane descent. There are also many, many dogs that have these different descents. I don't agree that because a breed has a bully breed in its descent that makes it a bully breed. Which brings me to my next point, (since we are getting down to specifics) you are misinformed on what technically is a Bully Breed. Mastiffs are one of the oldest breeds of dog dating back to Aristotle, Philip the Second, Alexander the Great, etc. / 400 - 300 B.C. Too many breeds to list have Mastiff in their ancestry. The only Mastiff that is considered a Bully Breed is the Bull Mastiff coming from a Mastiff and Bulldog descent. A bully breed has all to do with being of Bulldog descent, not Mastiff. Bulldogs were originally bred to fight Bulls in the Arena (hence their name) and was developed in the 13th century. Yes, they are of Asiatic Mastiff descent yet, as I mentioned, Mastiffs are one of the oldest breeds and there are too many dogs to list that are of their descent. Also, in your list of bully breeds you seemed partial to large breeds. You forgot to list the Boston Terrier which was originally called the Boston Bull and is from English White Terrier & English Bulldog descent. Avg. size 15 - 20 lbs. Also, the French Bulldog whose descent is from the Chincha Bulldog. Avg size is 22-28 pounds. Breeds that are classified as Bulldog Breeds (Bully Breeds) are as follows: Boxer, English Bulldog, Old Englishe Bulldogge, Amercian Bulldog, French Bulldog, Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog, Valley Bulldog, American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Bull Terrier, Boston Terrier, Bull Mastiff, and Banter Bulldogge. You had listed the Cane Corso Itailiano as a Bully Breed, this breed is of direct descent of the Canis Pugnax (Roman Mollosian), no Bulldog in this breed. A great website for researching breeds is linked below. I recommend it to anyone looking to obtain a new pet dog, the information is invaluable. Cheers Sarah...See MoreI want to be the first to debate loose cats
Comments (69)Ccoombs1, absolutely not. I just disagreed with Bluesbarby stating that cat's prey is also indigenous. I disagree, a quick google search confirmed that many of cat's prey is native to this country. I like cats, but I don't like loose or feral cats. I hate having paw prints on my car or finding the tell-tale sign of a native bird that has been caught and killed. What baffles me is how arrogant "some" cat owners can be, those that let their cats roam free. I almost get the sense that they feel entitled to having a roaming cat. It's their right. In many cases it is not, but in some counties it is completely legal. A leash law is laughable for some cat owners. Why? Train your cat like you train any other pet. I've seen ferrets on leashes! I think it is irresponsible and inconsiderate and unfortunately it is the cat that usually suffers in the end (not including all of the prey, that 'their cat' doesn't catch!!) I do however love all of those outdoor enclosures that responsible cat owners have constructed. Those are some loved kitties :) Christy...See Moredog in hot car
Comments (13)beegood, that's the beauty of a forum like this. Don't leave on account of a disagreement. I tell myself I'm not logging in here at least every month or so due to feeling offended or piled on by others. We can discuss, agree, disagree, etc. At times it gets one-sided, but I think this particular thread is pretty evenly divided. I respect your (and everyone else's) opinion, even when I totally disagree with it. The times it gets rough are when it's a pile-on against 1 poster or stance on an issue. Also, to me the worst behavior is personal insults, I get offended & also strongly believe that when a poster resorts to personal insults/namecalling, they've usually run out of logical support for their position. Now when that happens, I remind myself that my opinion is as valid as yours (everyone's). The one thing I won't do anymore is shrink back when I feel attacked. I used to do that & it really just gives power to other posters. Now back to this topic. I'm a bit jaded about cops esp. when they immediately pull the blue curtain of protection over incidents. We get to see dash cam of the public acting badly but often when a cop is suspected of bad behavior, the dashcam is 'faulty' so we can't hold police to the same scrutiny. That's my complaint here. I did scan over 3 articles yesterday about this story & even a week after the death, there was no substance to the police's story. It makes me suspicious. Well, didn't mean to go on so long here beegood, but please don't leave over me. Stay, you may find one day that we agree about something. I agree with a lot of posters then bicker over a different topic. The one thing we probably all agree on is a love for animals....See MoreMeghane
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