I don't think it's any less complicated, just another choice. I only use powdered milk and whey-based milk substitute products (since 1981) for drinking/cooking/baking and regularly make kefir with real kefir milk grains and powdered milk. The product I prefer using is Grandma's Country Cream non-fat dry milk (http://grandmascountryfoods.com/CountryCreamPowderedMilk/), which I purchase by the 25# bucket. For 25-years I made LOTS of yogurt using powdered milk products, but since making kefir, I only make yogurt a few times a year (at most) since kefir is better for you and is so much easier to make, and doesn't require special temperature controls and equipment. My "recipe": In a 1-quart jar add 2 cups of water and 4-5 tablespoons Grandma's Country Cream (add 1/8-1/4-cup half-and-half, if using it). Add lid and shake to mix. Add 1/4 to 1/3 c. milk kefir grains. Ferment to thickness desired. I've been using the same grains for somewhere around 13\-14\-years using powdered milk products. I generally make 1\-2 quarts a week since it's used in our daily breakfast smoothie, and kefir is also my substitute for buttermilk, cream cheese, sour cream, or plain yogurt. If I happen to have some half and half in the house, I'll add a little to the reconstituted powdered milk because the grains seem to get a little more active if there is some fat in the milk, at least occasionally. If I have PEAK or NIDO (whole milk powdered milk) in the house I might add some of it. What I've found beneficial is to use double\-strength milk (about twice as much powdered) so you have enough milk solids to create a nice thick curd. Otherwise you get a lot more whey than curd. When it comes to making yogurt, I'll add some unflavored gelatin to the mixture, and once again, use double\-strength powdered milk for more milk solids as an option (you can play around with the milk strength until you get the consistency you like). Other things you can add to make yogurt along with reconstituted powdered milk is canned evaporated milk. Adding powdered milk and/or gelatin is often used when using a low\-fat or fat\-free milk to increase the firmness of the texture, otherwise you will get a very soft curd. I'd also suggest a copy of "Cookin' With Powdered Milk" by Peggy Layton. Here's her recipe.... YOGURT FROM INSTANT MILK 2 c. powdered INSTANT milk 2 T. plain yogurt 3 c. lukewarm water Blend all ingredients in blender. Place in a bowl in a warm area (preferably 110\-120\-degrees F). Let stand undisturbed until set. The cooler the temperature the longer it takes to set. At 120\-degrees it can take about 4\-hours. Chill immediately. It will refrigerate for up to 4\-weeks. \[She also has a recipe using NON\-instant powdered milk if you use that.\] I purchase powdered coconut milk from Wilderness Family Naturals - http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/category/coconut-products-milk-powder.php - and make coconut milk kefir with reconstituted powdered coconut milk using milk kefir grains. Really YUMMY stuff..... :-) I rest the milk kefir grains in reconstituted powdered cow's milk between uses in coconut milk. -Grainlady

Yogurt sieves? I'll have to look about. I'm intrigued by the yogurt cheese cheesecake. A bit off topic, but since yogurt cheese has been mentioned, I'm posting the recipe for one of my favorite party nibbles. You gotta love hors d'oeuvres that you can make days or weeks ahead of time and just whip out on 5 minutes notice and still impress people. I'm including my yogurt recipe 'cause it was attached for the sake of anyone who hasn't made it yet: Yogurt Heat 1 quart of milk to the boiling point for just 1 minute. Cool to 115 degrees (lukewarm to the touch). Pour into a heavy ceramic bowl. Mix in 2 T of fresh, plain yogurt (must have active cultures). Cover tightly with plastic wrap and set in a warm place. An oven with a pilot light is good, I use a goose-neck desk lamp bent low over the bowl. I know some people who use a heating pad set on low under the bowl. According to the recipe, 110 is the ideal temperature, but remember that people have been making yogurt for thousands of years without benefit of thermometers. Essentially, it should be warmer than youd like a bath to be if you were going to spend a half an hour in it, but as warm as youd like a bath to be if you came home on a cold winter night and wanted to warm up. The yogurt should be ready in about 5 to 8 hours. Tilt the bowl to see if it holds together. The longer you allow the yogurt to sit, the more sour it will be. Line a colander with a thin cloth, such as a dish towel or muslin. Pour the yogurt into the colander and allow it to drain for at least an hour. Refrigerate. Note: It does not help speed or improve the process to add extra yogurt starterin fact, it can make for a lower quality product. The cultures have to have enough food to poop enough yogurtsorry, I couldnt help myself. You can make yogurt with 2 % milk if you like, but it takes longer and you need to strain it more. Yogurt Cheese in Olive Oil Pour home made yogurt into a sieve lined with a thin cloth, such as a dish towel or muslin. Fold the ends of the cloth over the top of the yogurt, top with a plate big enough to mostly cover the yogurt but small enough that it wont get hung up on the sides of the strainer as the yogurt gets pressed down. Weigh the plate down with a large jar or lidded tupperware bowl full of water and set the sieve over a bowl to drain. Be sure and empty the bowl from time to time so that the yogurt isnt sitting in its own whey. I generally do this overnight, but times can vary depending on the weight etc. You want a product about the texture of cream cheese. Form the yogurt cheese into balls about 1 " in size, rolling them in your hands. Pack the balls into sterilized jars with an herb mix sprinkled over each layer. Fill the jar with extra virgin olive oil. Store for at least 2 days to moogle the flavors, and up to about 3 weeks in the fridge. For the herb mix, I usually use dried red chilli pepper flakes, fresh rosemary & oregano (minced), fresh garlic sliced paper thin and salt. Then I add other things to suit my fancy. Herbs, minced onions, spices etc. Get playful. I dont know how to measure amounts, but remember that only a bit of the flavored oil will make it onto the cracker or bread with the cheese, so you almost cant put too much "stuff" in the oil. The "cheese" balls should be served with their spiced oil.

sally2- I don't think I ever said "kefir from the store isn't good enough", it's just not anything close to being the same thing as making it yourself with real kefir grains. It's like saying powdered mashed potatoes are just like eating real, peeled, boiled mashed potatoes. Commercially-produced kefir is a fruity, sugared version that includes some of the good bacteria. It would be impossible to use the traditional fermentation process we do at home on a commercial scale. They just like to make you THINK it's the same thing. Real kefir grains are used over and over for each batch and grow and make more kefir grains. It's a living thing packed with many more varieties of good bacteria and yeasts (30) needed to ferment milk (or water with water kefir grains) than they use for commercially-produced kefir. There is also a powdered starter - Yogourmet Kefir Starter - and once again, it's not the real thing and only has a couple types of bacteria necessary for fermentation. This is the product I first used until I found a source for the real kefir grains. How to get kefir grains....person-to-person. You normally get them from someone else who has them. I went on-line and found a source here in Kansas. I paid a small amount for them, plus shipping. There are some web sites that sell dehydrated kefir grains (the real deal, just dried), I just don't have any personal experience with them and can't suggest one. -Grainlady Here is a link that might be useful: Kefir - Wickipedia

It sounds like your venture worked well. You may want to try this.... Check your yogurt after 3 hours, gently giggle the mixture to see if it is firm. If not firm, let stand one more hour and check it again, then every half-hour after that. Refrigerate it as soon as it is done and don't use it for at least 6-hours. It will continue to thicken as it chills. Once you have a strong starter and a good source of milk, the length of time it takes to ferment depends on the three T's. - Temperature you heated the milk to (between 190-210-degrees F.). - Temperature for adding the starter - 105-120-degrees F. When you add the starter on the cooler side of the temperature window, the yogurt will be more mild than if you add it towards the warmer side of the temperature window. -Temperature for incubating - This temperature can range from 105-120-degrees F. Temperatures over 120-degrees F will destroy the bacteria. You can take the remaining Greek Yogurt and freeze it in portions for future yogurt sessions. Thaw it in the refrigerator before using for making another batch. You can also save a portion of your new batch to use as a starter, but it will eventually get weaker with subsequent batches until you will need a new starter. Whey is a very healthy part of yogurt, and you can expect it to separate from the curd during a long fermentation session, or if you stir or disturb the curd by cutting into it with a spoon and then letting it sit again. I love the whey from kefir and use it to make lemonade. It's a great thirst quencher during these horribly hot days. I use whey for lacto-fermentation of grains. You'll find more information about the whey in the link below. After decades of making yogurt, I moved on to the much simpler and better for you kefir. I drain the curd from kefir and use it as a substitute for cream cheese (as well as sour cream, plain yogurt, and in the liquid form as a substitute for buttermilk), and you can do the same thing with yogurt. The greatest portion of the whey drains off the yogurt the first hour. If you let yogurt drain for only 5-10 minutes, a cup of yogurt gives up 25% of it's volume in 5-minutes; a pint gives up 18% and a quart only 12%. -Drained Yogurt: Drained about 10-minutes. -Thick Yogurt: Drained at least 30-minutes. It will thicken, but still be soft - but won't retain its shape on a flat surface or the mark of a finger indentation. One hour is ideal for draining. -Yogurt Cheese: Yogurt that has drained for 8-hours or longer. It is the consistency of cream cheese, will hold its shape and retain the mark of a finger indentation. -One quart of yogurt will yield approximately 1-1/3 c. of yogurt cheese (about 2 c. of whey is drained off.) One quart of yogurt will yield about 2-1/2 c. of thick yogurt (about 1-1/4 c. of whey is drained off). Adding non-fat dry milk along with your milk will increase the protein and calcium and also results in a thicker yogurt. There are recipes where you can also add gelatin to help make a firm curd. The gelatin also adds protein. If you use reconstituted powdered milk as your only milk source, you can skip the step where you heat the milk. Just add warm water to the powdered milk to the temperature you need for adding the starter. By altering the ingredients - milk only, OR milk + powdered milk, OR milk + powdered milk and gelatin, it will determine whether your yogurt is soft, firm, or very firm. Make yogurt with half and half or cream and you have a lovely, rich, yogurt to use for desserts with fruit, or make into ice cream. You can also make yogurt with evaporated milk or add sweetened condensed milk for making sweetened yogurt. Another "secret" ingredient in yogurt making is to add cornstarch for a smoother and creamier finished product. -Grainlady Here is a link that might be useful: Benefits of Yogurt Whey