Want to buy old house, is it safe?
tiffanyatwell
16 years ago
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What was it about YOUR old house that made you buy?
Comments (69)Although our house will end up costing several times what we paid for it when we're through restoring and renovating, it is a dream come true. I always wanted an historical home but never thought I would own one. The house is in my hometown, and it is a beautiful, fantastic old house. PO was a DIY fool and did a fair amount of damage to the house. We are undoing what he did. Probably won't be able to afford to undo what he did to the outside: replaced the original tile roof with metal, covered the house in aluminum siding, and replaced the 1889 windows with putrid vinyl windows. The house would probably have been eligible for National Register status without the "improvements" of siding and elcheapo windows---according to the SC Dept. of Archives and History. There's a good chance we'll have to replace the cruddy windows one day and probably do something with the siding---just to protect the house---but that is in the future. For now, replacing the porch floor, having new stucco applied to the brick columns, and restoring the interior are the priorities. We have already had the house completely rewired. All new ductwork has been added along with two HVAC systems (one for upstairs and one for downstairs). New plumbing is in the works. It will take years to get all the floors refinished (most were painted and some had carpet over that), but the ones we have had refinished are just absolutely gorgeous. We are repairing as much plaster as possible. So far, I've had only one plaster wall knocked out and replaced with sheetrock. Hopefully, that will be the only one that is too far gone to repair. Most of the woodwork is intact. I'm about to have a few pieces copied. My grandmother is 96, and we're having her bedroom and bath finished now. About 2/3 of the upstairs is on the verge of being finished. It's expensive. We're selling some property to get the funds to do a lot of the work, but living there is just living in history. We believe that we have saved the house for many more years. The house seems like a living entity. It's a beautiful neo-classical Victorian with four huge columns on the front, a wraparound porch, a gorgeous front staircase, a back staircase, six fireplaces, original parlor light (gas/electric design), and original front door with leaded glass sidelights. Even though I'm pouring my time and money into the house, it is all worth it to me. I just hope I can get everything done that the house needs. Please, please, research before you destroy great things about your old house. And if you know how---really know how---to DIY, that's great. But don't ruin the house like the PO tried to do to our house. Of course, he thinks we're "messing up" all the great things he did---like adding trailer wallboard over the plaster and ripping out claw foot tubs to add fiberglas. I'm going to stop now; I'm returning to a place I don't want to revisit! On with the restoration!...See Morethinking of buying an old house
Comments (13)yellowfinch87, I am just writing to say that I nodded non-stop while reading every word of every response so far. I have experienced both growing up in an old house and rehabbing one (our current home) myself. Against all odds, I might add, because I swore I wouldn't ever take it on, despite loviing the character and having something of the rescuer in me. I spent lots of my childhood sanding, priming, painting and waiting for my parents to stop working on the house so we could do something together. That house was structurally sound and my father earned a good income and was a talented self-taught DIY'er who also found money to pay someone else to do what he couldn't. However, we spent more time shovelling off roofs (!), re-setting patio stones, etc than any of my friends and it cut into family life. My parents saved for years to take us to Europe for a family vacation. Then the house across the street burned down and the trip was replaced with re-wiring. We understood, but the trip never happened and the house was eventually sold and all that work was embedded in the house and in our memories. Don't get me wrong... I am NOT saying I didn't love living there. It's just that it was a lot of house-commitment. I would add that it was also a beauty in only slightly dishevelled condition in a highly desirable neighbourhood with lots of parks and safe streets and kids who spent much of their time outside safely creating their own entertainment. It was still a very expensive proposition. We also benefitted from the surroundings. Maybe different than a place with lots of lovely old ruins with busted out windows? Might not be so kid friendly when your 9 month is 9 years old and wants to bike or walk to see friends? We will mark the 6 year anniversary this July, of our purchase of the old farmhouse (1870) we call home. It is in liveable condition and safe and has had some of its true character restored over the past 6 years. It too was 'structurally sound' when we bought it, passed two building inspections, one by a certified inspector and one by a very close friend with a blunt honesty, who renovates heritage homes for a living. The inspector missed most of the important deficits, because as other posters have commented, they were hidden behind other past owners' 'remuddling' jobs. These hidden flaws have accounted for at least half of the estimated 100K which has been poured into this house in the past 6 years. Serious stuff: rotted and CUT OFF structural beams; illegal and dangerous wiring; utterly incompetent welding of plumbing pipes; enough stupid stuff to give you a headache just reading it. Now imagine living through this together, over and over, and consider the impact on your life as a couple and family... We took this house on at the respective ages of 47 and 56, with two resilient teens (who helped and removed themselves as needed when they'd had enough). We have a good income and had no major financial crises during this time. We have an absolutely wonderful relationship, which I give thanks for every day and had already been together a decade when we embarked on this. It still tested us frequently and at one point, we agreed that we had to declare only specific times when the house could be the topic of discussion, because it was starting to take over. We are climbing out of debt and in our area, housing values have climbed enough and the trend is positive enough, that I think we'll come out even in the end financially. There's still lots to be done, but we agree nothing more til we have the cash in hand. I've been really specific here, because I get the lure (after all, I was fished back in!!!)... but I would agree with the others... enjoy your relative financial freedom, in the annoying one bedroom (or maybe find another?) with your precious nine month old, who's about to become 10x more fascinating than he/she already is (said as a paediatrician who can't get enough of kids under 5)... maybe consider slaking some of your 'oldness' thirst on buying old furniture and learning to refinish it, or helping someone else out with some of their old house DIY or volunteering for Habitat, or, you get it... I'm afraid this sounds very 'advicy', but hope it's helpful......See MoreMom is Relieved. 'Kids' Nixed Buying Old House
Comments (1)Ya, isn't it great when they actually take into consideration a suggestion you've given! :) Glad they heard you and I know you're sleeping much better now!...See MoreOld cabs: how to safely remove old paint?
Comments (13)It's probably a safe assumption that there will be lead in the lower layers given the age of the house, I think---not even sure I'd bother to test it. (They do test for free here, though---I wouldn't be surprised if Portland does too.) Lead was in virtually all enamel/cabinet/trim paint before the late 60s. But you can still sand with the sponges---that's what they're designed for, in part. When they're wet, they'll contain the dust so that it's not all over the place; a mask will also help to make sure you're not breathing it, and then afterwards you wet mop to get up any bits of dust on the floor. We did the whole lead testing and education bit with our county last year, and it was super helpful. One of the more important things I learned was that while lead is icky stuff, it's largely a concern if it's eaten or inhaled in quantities, so you can do a lot to prevent that and to let older kids know to avoid chipping paint and wash hands after touching it. It's also less of a concern if it's a one-time project than if it's ongoing chipping, like with a window where someone's painted the sash so every time it opens or closes, fine dust comes down. Projects can be more easily secured so toddlers and pets are away from the work. The really important thing they drilled into us was that the surface of the paint needs to be intact---you don't need to remove lead paint, but you do need to have it covered with a good layer of new paint on top. It's worse to take some of it off and open up lower layers to chipping/flaking than just to leave them alone and paint over with good quality paint, unless you have the resources (time, energy and/or money!) to strip down to the bare wood. In your case, I'd only touch it enough to get it into paintable shape. The biggest problem we had was our dog---lead paint chips apparently smell/taste sweet, which is what attracts babies too. So we would constantly catch him snuffling in an area where work was going on, trying to find the chips. Finally just gave up on that and shut him out of the room all together till we were done!...See Moremebits
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