Wow, lots of discussion here overnight. I hadn't thought about hybrid multifloras . . . the green canes and thornlessness could go along with that . . . this little guy is showing no signs of flowering in clusters, though. It's got single main buds on the laterals, with two side buds. No variation from this pattern anywhere on the plant. BTW, what constitutes a 'fringed stipule'? I've been comparing this rose to everything in the garden, and I don't see that its stipules are any more fringy than some of the others I have. The comparison to Seven Sisters is an interesting one. To my experience, there are a lot of roses out there being passed off as Seven Sisters -- some with different habits and bloom styles and sizes. The only one I've ever seen in person is one we planted at a public garden downtown, and we doubted that it was the real thing. The flowers are much smaller than my rose, and it always flowers in clusters. I checked the photos of Seven Sisters on HMF, but I couldn't find one that showed enough of the leaves or buds or canes to make a good comparison. The Lansdowne rose started last year with a main cane (the one that I rooted the year before) and one basal. Over the course of the year, it sent up at least 6 other basal canes to make quite a little cluster of canes. No signs of suckering away from the base of the plant, though. As far as comparing this to my other roses, I find that this one sort of resembles my Madame Plantier. Both are thornless, with green canes, with main and sidebuds on the flowering laterals. MP was new to me last year, so I haven't had a chance to compare the flowers in person yet, though some of the photos of it on HMF are a dead-ringer for my rose, except that the flowers on MP are white. This probably doesn't help us narrow the choice of class for my rose, since the Madame has conflicting classifications -- is she a noisette, or an alba, or what? The photo of MP in the link below shows some of the characteristics of my rose. Some of the buds are fat with shorter sepals, and some are fringy and foliose (I love that word, thanks Melissa.) I wish the mama rose wasn't gone. Connie P.S. We can trade cuttings later in the year -- it's a little bit too early to do that here. Here is a link that might be useful: Marcia's Madame Plantier HMF photo

I am sure she will fly :) This reminds me about one of my African Monarches. The poor thing had it's pupa eaten by ants while it was still inside, so it hatched with a missing antenna and plus, it fell from the pupa and its wings never did form. Me and my small bro were examining it and I remarked "Well, this one is ugly" but my lil bro replied with it being the prettiest he's seen. So as we knew it wont live for long, we thought about making the last few days of it's life fun. :) We took photos, fed it, took it out, etc till a day later, as it had already passed away during the midday. :'( -TL;DR: All I am saying is that, even if it cannot fly, keep her as a pet. :) This post was edited by NOACCEPTANCE772 on Fri, Dec 13, 13 at 18:32

Georgysmom, thanks for your opinion. I'm kinda like you, I would never feel comfortable in a dress like that but my daughter probably wouldn't care, as long as the top was covered with something. This girl had her dad buy her Gene Simmons'-like KISS boots and she wore them to school until one buckle fell off. And yes, the other kids think she's weird but she really doesn't care. She now has two pair of the same type boots on her Christmas wish list. She wears her baggy Star Wars pj bottoms out in public and could care less what other people think. She wears my chop sticks in her hair all the time, among other weird things. She's even worn my old "80's" jeans jacket to school before. (I stole it back when I lost a bunch of weight). So, I doubt she would care if everyone else were in more "normal" clothing than she was. She likes what she likes and I wish I were more like her. Chisue, actually 15 years olds in Spain and Germany do go clubbing-lol and my daughter wants to go to Spain next summer so she can go with our Spanish exchange student! I think the whole old fashioned look to the dress is what appeals to my daughter. That, and it's different from what other girls her age would wear.

Denny and I got one on our 40th Anniversary... But just recently our ggson bumped into the table it sat on, it fell off and broke into too many pieces to try to put it back together. I was sad about it, but he was so sweet...he picked up some of the pieces and brought it to me saying " I'm sorry grandma...I broke this". He could have just ignored it or tried to hide it. I'd love to have another one to replace it. It came with a note from my cousin Keith who could be with us on that day, because of health issues. The note was so special I kept it folded and tucked under one of the arms. I think she'll love it. patti