Which one Miele 1926 (used) washer vs Miele 1986 (newed)?
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Am I crazy for considering an Asko w6222 or a Miele w1986 washer?
Comments (5)Have you done the "weigh your current load" test? I'm sure the 1986 will handle loads up to 13 lbs/6 kilos, and I expect the Asko would, too. Take your current laundry (dry) and weigh a typical load (subtract weight of basket, of course). If you're currently doing less 13 lbs (6K) in each load, you will do no more loads than you are currently doing. The extremely long Euro-style cycle is not really an issue with a 1986 since it has the shorter cycle as the default; you can choose long cycles for unusually serious cleaning. I believe it also has a time delay feature which means you can program a load to finish as you wake, and run the dryer while getting ready to go out. And then start a load timed to finish when you return and are ready to flip it to the dryer. I am not as familiar with the features of the Asko model you have mentioned - mine are older, without the delay cycle, but with generally shorter cycles than the typical long Euro cycle in older Mieles. One of the reasons I think some of the Euro FLs have decided to "dumb down" their machines is because they could never persuade people to really believe in how much can be handled in these dishwasher-sized carcasses. Apparently even your salesman is still confused. Both of these machines a true horizonatal axis machines which means they don't lose any space due to a tilted drum like just about every other brand model out there, from the similar sized Sears machines to the fancy Asian behemoths. If had to replace any of my machines I would go to enormous trouble to find a Miele 1918 or 1986 because of its reliablity and superior washing characteristics. The heaters on those machines are simply far and away better than what you can buy today. And with kids having that heater will give you many more options for stain removal, without harsh chemicals. From your user name, you sound like you're in French-speaking Canada. Dare I hope that I might easily find a 1986 up there? I am in northern NY, and my regional Miele sales rep recently told me that no more 1918 or 1986s are available anywhere in his territory. But a trip to Canada would not be out of the question. Don't worry, I'm not trying to beat you out of the machine you found! Truly, do the laundry weighing test and see what you learn. HTH, Molly~...See MoreMiele W1926 bites the dust after 15 years.
Comments (8)Just a few words: Do not know if your Miele repairman checked but the common cause of "dead" motors is that the brushes are worn and need to be replaced. Sadly many Miele servicemen especially the younger/newest hires either do not test/check for this and or do not want to do the job. Changing motor brushes is a common enough repair on all front loading washing machines with such motors. Motors for Miele washers to their credit do not eat through brushes fast as some other brands that require changing every two years or so, but never the less the brushes do wear out and once that happens the motor will no longer function. Miele 19XX models washers were designed to be serviced from the front of the machine, and that includes getting at the motor to change brushes. There are two ways of doing it: some repairmen choose to remove the entire motor, replace the brushes and reinstall. Others more nimble will leave the motor in place and swap out the brushes. There is a Miele motor for your series washer on eBay as of eariler this week (it came from a W1930) for much less than the $825 you were quoted by MieleUSA. First problem is that MieleUSA will only install NIB parts (we have a Miele and have dealt with them on various issues), so if you purchase another motor outside of them that is open box, the MieleUSA service tech cannot install it; however many Miele trained but independent repairmen have no such qualms. If neither option are open then depending upon your skill set replacing the brushes is not that difficult a job. There are links to various Miele service manuals online that give detailed instructions. Personally if the tub bearings, and other major parts of your Miele washer are still working well, I'd consider checking to see if the brushes are your motor's problem. Or, perhaps purchasing the motor off eBay and swapping it out for yours provided it is in good condition. Even if you have purchased the W3033 already I'd consider possibly repairing (if the above is true) it and keeping the older unit as a spare. For many the 1900 series were the best Miele washers produced. Here is a link that might be useful: Miele Motor...See MoreMiele vs Miele
Comments (30)I am not going to tell anyone what to buy. We all have different situations. Many on this forum are having good success with the 4840. It seems like if you need the jumbo capacity then it would be OK and you can get the heater to work just not on normal. I think older Whirlpools don't use their heater on normal either. I don't need a washer the size of a house. I separate clothes by fabric and color especially since higher temps can remove dyes faster, and will also cause anything with spandex to quickly deteriorate. I do wash comforters in my 6K with no problem but that depends on the bulkiness of comforters. So in the future if I need a new comforter I won't buy a bulky one. The 5 and 6k machines have been in use for many years in the U.S.A and all over the world, but it is only here in the U.S.A that we feel that things must be big to get things done. I understand the idea that 20 sets of jeans can be washed at one time. I also understand that folks want to wash comforters, but I also find that I can wash larger loads in my 6K machine than I could in my super capacity top loader and they get cleaner. So I guess it depends on what your needs are. If you sort your laundry are you going to wash the equivalent of 20 pairs of jeans in each load? Here's my trick. If I have a particularly large load, one with heavy soil, I will use the extended cycle which washes and rinses longer. Otherwise I don't need extended; things get clean with the regular shorter cycle. If the load is large and dirty and can take higher heat I use the regular short cycle and increase the temperature. if the load is small the machine reduces the cycle times and everything still gets clean. so there are a lot of variable you can play around with the achieve the result you want. The new 5.5K washers are 120V so that it will be easier for folks to install them..but they don't heat to 200F either. Will the older 220V models continue to be sold or phased out? I paid $75 to have the 220V line run from the electric box to the machine. Do you already have 220V? Are you willing to pay for it to be installed? I have not needed to use LCB since having my FL. Are you willing to LCB for heavy stains? Regular use of LCB is not recommended (or needed for cleaning) for the smaller ones because I think they contain a SS outer drum while the newer units do not. Does this matter to you? This is a new model only released to the U.S.A. I am sure Miele does a good job of production and testing but do you want to buy version one of anything or would be be better to wait for release two? Sure incremental changes have been made to the smaller units but the basics and footprint have not changed that much so they must be on version 150. The smaller previous miele models contain some of the same cycles the 4840 does, difference is they are smaller, use 220V and can heat the water hotter and faster. So like I mentioned every ones situation will be different. For me - I have had my washer(W1986) wince 2003 and there is nothing wrong with it. So I don't need a washer and plan to keep this one and have it repaired as needed for as long as possible. I do like having the option of higher temps, higher rinse levels and water consumption if I want it. This is a minor thing but I like the heavy SS door and lock on my machine too. Situations will vary. Do what is right for you....See MoreBuying/transporting used Miele w1986 & t1576
Comments (4)The Miele W1986 and T1576 laundry appliances are very fine machines. With proper care, they should both provide at least 20 years of faithful service. I can't say whether $1,500 is a fair price, but it's roughly half of what the two machines would have cost new. If they're in good condition with no mechanical problems, the price would seem reasonable to me. Perhaps someone else would have a better notion of current used-market prices. Under ideal circumstances, the washer should have the original shipping brackets reinstalled to protect the suspension. These aren't simple bolts, but two fairly long rods that insert though the back of the machine, with a flat crossbar that locks both rods into place. Getting them reinstalled can be a bit tricky, and may require opening the front of the machine to properly align the sockets into which the rods insert. If you contact Miele Customer Service, they can provide you with instructions for opening the front, and diagrams showing where the rods need to fit. The dryer doesn't require any special procedures beyond careful handling. If the shipping brackets aren't available, you can order a set from Miele, but if that proves difficult or impossible, it's still possible to move the washer with the utmost care. The washer will need to be kept upright and as level as possible. Tilting it to transport on a two-wheeled dolly isn't recommended, and under no circumstances, should the washer be transported up or down stairs on a dolly. Tilting or bouncing is likely to damage the suspension. Without shipping brackets you will need three or four very strong people to lift the machine, keeping it as level as possible. During transport, the machine shouldn't be subjected to sudden jolts, fast turns or abrupt stops. If you can move it gently without substantial tilting, all should be well. Miele laundry appliances are extremely sturdy, but rough handling while transporting the washer without shipping struts, can cause damage. If you exercise care though, you should be okay. Hope this helps....See Moredebs3
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