I wonder if anyone else is as sick and tired of the run-around that these two brands (Charlies and Sensi-Clean/Sportwash)are doing to people. It should be a federal law that they disclose all chemcials in these products. I spent countless hours trying to get the ingredients and got the same old "trade secret" crap. I am tired of the game they are playing with consumers and will not buy anything from anyone that does not tell me what is in it. You could be killing yourself and not know it and paying money for it on top of that. These company(ies) have only their best interests and fat wallets in mind. They can put anything into their detergents including cancer causing chemicals and you are buying it and putting it on your children (it isn't rinsing out 100% no matter what they say) or in their ground water (imagine 2 loads everyday, 7 days a week going into your soil-it adds up)especially if you have a drinking well it winds up there eventually. I now beleive they are the same and I won't buy either of these products again and will keep looking for an honest company that I don't have to worry about every time I put a load of clothing in my laundry machine.

@ Cavimum I always thought 4 grains per gallon was considered relatively soft, but a quick googling says that 4 GPG would be considered moderately hard water, as you said (USGS defines hard water here). CS laundry booster and hard water treatment may help a little, but I wouldn't expect a major change given your hardness values. I have a whole house softener, so my water has 0 hardness. CS still gave me dingy whites and did not clean as well as my other products. It also did not make my clothes feel soft, as others have claimed, despite repeated washes. I eventually stopped using CS because the results were unsatisfactory. Granted, I'm a picky person. My suggestion would be to buy the CS laundry booster and see how it goes. If you are happy, great. If not, switch to another product and donate your CS detergent stash to a local animal shelter - the puppies will love you forever. Keep the laundry booster to use with any other product you buy down the road. If I were you I would not buy the EcoVantage - there is nothing "eco" about it except the name and it doesn't clean much better than CS. The full ingredients list is not disclosed anywhere, and there are no environmental claims on the label except for the name of the product. I think it's smoke and mirrors. I highly recommend Bi-O-Kleen Premium powder. It's scent-free, environmentally friendly, and most importantly, it cleans well. That's where I would start. You may also like Vaska scent-free. It claims to be as effective as Tide while being natural and using no enzymes. It's herbal-based cleaning at its best, and the lavender scented version is my go-to detergent. It also leaves your clothes much, much softer than any other product (without fabric softener).

I personally have only been using the CS for a few days, but the difference has been drastic. Overall, much better results with the CS than anything else I have ever used. I don't know what others routines are, but here's what I've been doing. For reg loads (no heavy stains) I just use the one scoop of CS. For heavily soiled loads, I pretreat with the CS multi surface cleaner, then I wash with the one scoop of CS and one Tbsp of my HE oxi clean. It usually requires an extra rinse because of the CS laundry powder and the Multi-Purpose cleaner, but it works incredibly well. It has gotten out all the new stains my hubs has gotten in his work clothes, which nothing else ever did, and with each wash the older set in stains are fading. It got most of the stains out of my lil girls brand new white shirt. There are only a couple of tiny dots on her shirt now (set in chocolate), but they are going away with repeated washes. I have used many detergents over the 10 years I've been married, but I have never had anything work this well overall. Some stains would be easier to remove with an enzyme detergent, but then the clothes here get build up on them and get hard. That doesn't happen with the Charlie's. It is also gentle and improves fire retardency and improves or maintains the water resitance of other articles of clothing (my husbands seal socks). Factor in the price and this is superior to anything else out there in my opinion. Sorry for the added review, but I am still in utter awe of this stuff and can't figure out why it took so long for me to hear about it. Anything this good you would think everyone knew about.

I've always gotten the powder... prior to the fl machine I always bought liquid!.... I did use other he liquids once getting the fl... but I swithced to powder with the charlies... sinc my older children are now trying to help with the wash the powder is easier to clean up when they are done!!! :-(