Final Layout - Last Check In

16 years ago

Hi everyone, so here is our final layout from the KD.

Aisles are 43" finished.

The island shape, we know is a bit "wacky", but it meets our needs for a conversational eating area while preserving the view. While the plan shows 6 stools, 99% of the time we would only have 4. The other 1% of the time 5. We have a banquette going in that allows for additional space for more than 5 casual diners when we don't want to use the dining room.

The south wall pantries are 12" deep to keep the traffic flow across the bottom of the kitchen as open as possible. The mudoom/palyroom/bathroom are all off through the door on the left. The family room is to the right of the kitchen. Entry from the foyer is the door to the right of the pantries.

North wall is three large windows. The flanking cabinets come down to countertop level. Each has two doors - the lower will hold coffee maker or other small appliances when not in use). The uppers, glasses, mugs, etc.

Trash pull out is left of the sink, DW on right of the sink. The door base next to the trash pull out will change to drawers for tupperware container storage. The small drawer base next to the DW will hold dishtowels and small odds/ends. Bev. chiller next to that, then door to the yard. Silder will lead to screen porch.

West wall has uppers flanking 36" hood.

36" induction cooktop over 2 drawer base for pots/pans. This unit is flanked by spice/oil pullouts each of which has another 3 drawer base on each side. Counter depth SxS fridge.

East wall is open to family room (two steps down).

Island - area with prep sink is lowered to table height.

Spice pull out next to sink. 18" sink base, 3 drawer base and 18" tray base. We have not decided about the overhang to the right of the sink or the stool for that location. We'll make that decision once the cabinets are installed and before templating. We can see how the space feels first. North side of island has 2 drawer base, but will hold the MW in the top drawer area. 24 DB will be for everyday plates/dishes/silverware. We're ok with the slight overlap between the this drawer unit and the DW, and no one would be at the stool while the DW is open.

The wall bases under the island are all for storage of occasional use items, school supplies, etc.

Double oven in the corner between north and west walls.

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rhome410
16 years ago
I well remember that your dw wanted a lower prep area, which I prefer, too, although not as low as table ht. But I totally respect her preference. My worry, though, is the sink height. My dad thought he'd do my mom a huge favor by lowering the sink counter at our former cabin because she was barely 5'1" and the rest of us dish doers weren't much taller. It ended up to be no favor, as we all got sore backs prepping or washing dishes. The counter at the lower height was one thing, but working down in the sink was that much lower and too much. If the counter is table height, the sink bottom will be approx 24" off the floor, unless it's a deeper sink, which will, of course, make it lower.
davewg
Original Author
16 years ago
Good point about the prep sink and its depth.

We're using the round Ticor which is, I believe, 7 1/4" deep. I think the actual height of the lowered area once the tops are put in will be 32" which is close to where Rhome thinks it will be.

I recognize the concern - I'll see what the KD thinks and mention it to my wife and see what she things about it too.
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I don't know how this would look, but what if you removed the soffit and the cabs on the sink wall? Switch the sink wall cabinet to the range wall--you have 23" between corner and window. That might provide more balance to that wall--there's something about it that looks off to me. I think it's all the height and bulk in the middle of the wall and the unevenly-spaced windows. Or could the stove and window be shifted down and that wall be made more symmetrical without the soffit? I'm not sure about keeping the single cabinet over the DW, but I think two shelves for mugs and coffee supplies could work. Then that corner becomes a coffee corner. How tall will the crown be on your cabinets? When I add 36" base cabs + 18" between counter and bottom of upper cabs + 48" upper cabinets, I get 102", the height of your ceilings. I think those 48" uppers aren't allowing for crown. I am concerned that all your wall cabinets will look very tall and skinny and not really hold much. I can't believe how many times I edited this post! I must need a nap! This post was edited by may_flowers on Tue, Feb 11, 14 at 20:35
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You know I think the sink needs to move to the corner so that when you have an island, and even before, the sink can do double duty...For coffee and as extra help in the kitchen, as needed. I like it when things can offer you more than one use in more than one situation. Where it is, it probably won't be that handy for adding a splash of water to veggies you're steaming in the microwave, or for draining same veggies. What about an extra hand washing spot for kitchen helpers or to aid in a baking project taking place on the work table. Any auxiliary activities in the kitchen could take place on the counter by the mw and on the work table, and it'd be a lot nicer to be able to reach that sink from that same aisle.
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I do agree that the tall cabinet is probably mroe of the look you are after. It seems more Scadanavian or contemporary while a hutch more often tends towards traditional or country. You could design a hutch to be more contemporary, but that's not what any of us were seeing when we looked at the drawings. I don't like split tall fridges here. The one on the snack end looks unbalanced to me and closes up the space. If you really want it, try it where the DW is -- although I think that will close up your doorway. Maybe it's wide enough to handle it? I'm not crazy about the way the other one looks next to the fireplace wall either. Think about opening the fridge right next to the wall when there's a fire burning. I think having the fridge by the bumpout gives you reasons and ways to hide the bumpout. It also seems to have a good central location. It's easy to split drinks and certain snacks from the rest of your fridge items, but where would you put something like salad dressing? If it's at the snack end, it would be a haul to the kitchen and back to dress a salad for a group. If it's at the far end of the kitchen, then it's a haul for the salad for one at the table. I think the rectangular table is good -- oval would be okay too, but I think round would look small and unbalanced. The long table fills a long space in a longer room. The look you want is more about clean lines and works well with a series of rectangles. Also, you don't have any other circles or curves to play a round table off of. Just my thoughts... You think you're almost there and it just keeps on doesn't it? You'll know when you have it right -- so just use what we say to think about and test your ideas. It's still your kitchen. ;-)
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If you click on the first link there are more pictures of the layout on my photobucket website. I am currently losing several hours of sleep over this, petrified of putting everything in and going "oh I should have put. . ." After taping everything out on the addition deck last night we have decided to shrink the main island a bit (which contains the sink) by taking out the end cabinet because it's a little tight to the slider on the left wall. I envision myself prepping for baking on the long side of the island or behind the long side if multiple preppers and prepping for rangetop on short side of island. My husband and I (hahaha, I swear if I say the word kitchen one more time to him or ask him to watch one more show on DIY because it's the perfect kitchen I might be sleeping on the couch. . .) decided to turn the second island into a peninsula by dragging it to the adjoining cabinets, and leaving the second sink in there. Knowing this, would you leave the fridge where it is (a little buried) or move it to the top left of the kitchen on the back wall? We are a family of five, multiple cooks, kids ages 6, 4, 2 who LOVE to get involved. I also want to note that I know the best place for the rangetop is on the top north wall, nice tight triangle, but the hood mantle would block a beautiful view of the swingset/trampoline/playhouse, pretty much where the kids are most of the time. We are so close, I can feel it, I think the fridge is really the final decision and I appreciate all the help!!
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lyfia
16 years ago
For the stool that is in the U how much space is there. Can you get in and out of it without making the person next to you get up? Is there space to get past a person sitting in the stool next to it and to sit down?
davewg
Original Author
16 years ago
Hi lyfia -

Yes, the 6 stools definitely look tight. The KD only put them there to show it was "possible."

Most of the time we'd have only 4 stools spread out in that same area and never more than 5. I'd never expect to see a stool squeezed that far into the bottom of the "U".
plllog
16 years ago
It looks like you got everything you wanted, including facing island seating that can see out the windows :)
davewg
Original Author
16 years ago
plllog - Yes, I think we did, but with 2+ years of planning and design changes I would hope so.

Still, never hurts to have the final design vetted by the experts here at GW.

Thanks!
alku05
16 years ago
Looks great, just about time to pull the trigger Dave!

Rhome makes a great point; table height may be a bit low for a prep area. Have DW test that out extensively before the final commit. For most people, lowering the counter just a couple inches makes a big difference. She may find 33" (inbetween counter and table height) to be a much better choice.
plllog
16 years ago
Aren't there some rules of thumb? I think I've read that if you're fitting the counter to the prepper it should be at the level of the elbows loosely bent (i.e., the forearms, parallel to the counters should be about 1-2" above it). And you should be able to palm down on the sink bottom, but not bend the elbow a lot.

I don't know if these really work, but they seem to account for what's comfortable for me.
davewg
Original Author
16 years ago
Hey Alku05 -

Pulling the trigger we are - I'm calling tomorrow to give them the go ahead.....

We did "demo" the island prep height based on our kitchen table where my wife preps now - its 29" high. The counter will be 32"-33" finished (I believe - will check with the KD tomorrow), so I think we'll be ok vis-a-vis the sink.

I'll mention it to her - but I think she's already asleep. Me I made the mistake of checking my work email and then looking here...

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