Mini split performance: interesting paper
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Comments (49)Hello, Would like to know how many BTUs (for 1 wallmount system)would I need for two floors of 690 sqfeet (each floor). The Unit will be on the 2nd floor in the middle between 2 bedrooms and a washroom (over washroom door facing master bedroom). It will be a dual split system. ------------------------------------- Also would like to know which is a safe reliable cost efficient brand, example of wall mounted (split systems) air conditions I've heard of: Fujitsu (they give 10 years warranty parts and labour) Mitsubishi (6 yrs parts and labour however been making them longer) Daikin (6 yrs parts and labour) Igloo York Carrier Grey All about the same price... ----------------------------------- Finally, is it better to get a dual system (with heat pump), from my understanding they are almost the same price and the advantage is that it has a variable BTU which may save some $$. Since the heat pump will be at the higher level then it wont heat as much however it is coming at about the same price. Then again more electronics in a system more chances of malfunctioning sooner? Thank you, Stelios...See Moremini-split Achilles heel
Comments (19)I bought a SpeedClean bag. I am reasonably happy with it so far. I took apart one of my Mitsubishi high wall appliances. Off came the main cover and louvers. Removing three screws on the left and the set screw on the squirrel cage allowed pretty easy removal of the cage just like in the vid. There are three tabs and some tugging and pulling to remove the condensate tray. I removed the horizontal vane motor as well as it looked like it would be easier to get it out of the way than to maneuver around it. Two little screws and it can be pulled out of the say and taped to the side of the unit to preclude undue stress on the wire bundle. The tray and cage were pretty nasty as were the surfaces around the cage where soggy stuff was flung. That includes the safety cages around the vertical louvers. As Jackfree noted, it is pretty groady in there. I knew it would be because I had looked at the blower cage with a flashlight. Cleaning the cage was super easy and much more thorough out in the driveway. I vacuumed it off. Still looked bad. I don't know if that step was worth the trouble. I soaked everything in neutral detergent after hosing off with a typical garden hose-end sprayer. After spraying, soaking and spraying, the cage looked like new. I cleaned the main case, louvers and condensate tray with a soft brush in the same detergent. I gave everything a 10-minute treatment in diluted bleach, rinsed, dried them off with a soft rag and left them in the sun for an hour while I made and had lunch. Indoors, on went the bag. I cleaned the coil with $self rinsing foaming spray cleaner$ where stuff was visibly stuck between the fins. It took repeated applications. Some gunk came out but some never came out. Rinse and rinse. I cleaned the rest with Evap Power C that was the choice at the local supplier that sells to the public. Rinse and rinse. Why cut corners when I've gotten this far into it! Reinstallation of the blower cage was easy. Reinstallation of the condensate tray took a while. Lining the ends up to the shallow grooves to its sides that they fit into was not easy to figure out and it was not obvious what I should have checked in the fit of before I wiggled it out. The angle of attack on snapping it in is not obvious either. I must have spent a half hour at it, but it seems like hours, of course. The rest was a snap. Looking to the future, I have a couple of high wall appliances that are close to the wall on the left so I might not be able to pull the cage out as easily. I think that they will come out underneath and one of them has a big exhaust fan in that wall close to where the trajectory of the cage would naturally go when pulling it out the side. We'll see. Installation location choice should be made with attention to this maneuver. Give 'er about 26 inches on the left if you can! Back to the newly cleaned appliance. Now I have to re-set that appliance on the wall because I found that the drain pigtail goes from the right side all the way to the left side within the unit before it enters the wall. Poor drainage plan, I think. Ironically, the day I got everything assembled and ready to start, the appliance to be attended to suddenly started to rain copiously all over the floor underneath it. I got into the wall to reroute the pigtail and the hose, but the hole in the wall does not line up perfectly so the pigtail has a fraction of an inch climb before it enters the wall. I want to raise the appliance a little, shift it to the left a little. I have to straighten the mounting plate a little. Due to my ham-fisted handling of it, i bent it a little. I also need to give the whole thing a slight lean to the left so it will drain more completely. Now it has a slight lean to the right. I'll have to figure out how to support it with a ladder, or install some temporary "hooks" in the wall while that is going on. The way the tubing in the wall is chosen and arranged is also suspect and I have not been into the open crawlspace yet to check the hard pipe collectors that lead to surface drains....See MoreAny Mini-Split Brands to Avoid?
Comments (24)I realize there's a lot of love/hate perspectives based on brand, but after seeing prices of the big boys (Mitsubishi, Daikin, etc) at least 2-4x the cost of the DIY systems that have continued to get easier and easier to install and maintain it's an increasingly hard proposition to avoid modern HVAC over concerns of a $15-20k installation overhead when a comparable DIY install can be had for $5k-8k. As an example... After seeing my neighbor drop his electric bill 30-40% with a partial DIY Senville minisplit who had nothing but great things to say about it over his first two years of use, I took up his offer to help with install on 28k dual-head Senville system after extensive phone and email-based conversations with their sales teams on proper size, location, and acessories. The "trick" to ensuring your system's covered by most manufacturers' warranties (in Senville's case their 10 year warranty) is splitting out the "Bob Villa busy work" vs the professional stuff that could void a warranty or burn your house down. For example, all the interior work of drilling applicable wall holes, mounting interior head units (easier than a TV), filling those holes with foam, and installing the line set covers back to the compressor can easily be handled by anyone with even modest DIY XP. Just make sure you've measured out the total line set length, aren't crimping those metal lines, and (if you aren't comfortable with any of that) just leave any/all exterior lineset and/or cover work to the pros to run back to the compressor and cover up. Lineset covers are effectively glorified gutters: easy to install, not as easy to ensure they're not creating sharp angles or crimps in the lineset. Pro Stuff: checking system pressure, running new 220v/40amp electrical service with applicable cutoff(s), and ensuring that (even on systems that come pre-charged) that pressure is correct and the system starts, works to spec, and you have that warranty form filled out and signed by a professional that knows what they're doing. All in all I paid: $5,150: $2600 complete mini-split system w/covers (dual-head, 28k Senville SENA-30hf-d) $1200: electrician running new 220v/40a service (panel to compressor) $500: plumber connecting/testing line set pressures/operation $850: handyman mounting exterior compressor + buying/installing line set covers after factory covers were found not have necessary right angles) In just first winter heating costs dropped by 50% (prior pellet stove + electric baseboard so worst case scenario) and early spring/summer air conditioning has been even more impressive. The system's almost completely inaudible, the 2x10 house construction's transmitted zero reverberation through the walls (a common concerns for those wall-mounting their exterior compressor), and Senville's mobile app (which also works with the Midea app since apparently Senville's just a rebrand of Midea systems) allows fully remote, Alexa-compatible, and multiday schedules that are easily configured. I know all the existing professionals lament the fact that these DIY/quasi-DIY systems can disappear overnight and often won't touch them due to concern over future parts availability, but when costs compare at $5k vs $10-20k for even a modestly sized system it really calls into question how many inefficiently heated/cooled homes are left in the cold (no pun intended) over fear of extensive capital costs when systems like these can be the best of both worlds: an opportunity to work with local pros to understand how modern heat pump technology actually works, take a bit of the busy work off their plates and still make a living ensuring the more advanced work is not an unforced error on the part of the homeowner willing to exercise a bit of elbow grease to cut costs by 50-75% off traditional installations. Hope this helps....See MoreMini Split Brands - which one to select?
Comments (30)"baseless propaganda"? There wasn't a single item stated to warrant such an irresponsible response. Dismissing a truthful message and then attacking the messenger in such a patronizing manner is a common protocol for one living as a cartoon character elitist in a faux fairyland euphoria so it wasn't offensive and expected. You're right, people aren't going to stop using air conditioning but at some point many will lose the entitlement to use it. Some prefer to stay ignorant to a lot of things while they sit in front of the air conditioner with total complacency, unaware their entitlement is on the chopping block. It's all by design so Lets jump back 10 years, California seeks control of thermostats and then three years ago Let PGE control your thermostat and last year. PGE time of use plan. In this case the past has given a picture of the future, and 82 degrees will be the setting because they swallowed the propaganda from their masters, but the funny thing is California told everyone what they're going to do 10 years ago but the free cool-aide was so sweet it was missed. By the way 18,000 businesses have left California over the last 10 years and Oracle and Hewitt Packard are in the process of moving out. HP was the first Tech corner stone in silicon valley and will be a sad day for California but those 2400 good HP jobs aren't needed in the state, right?. Close eyes, click heals together 3 times....See Moreenergy_rater_la
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