Choosing between Kenmore Elite 95073 & Kenmore 95103 induction
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Comments (17)As I explained in my first post, I do need large burners...Certainly more than 1 (4 or more), which is why I was considering alternatives to the 36" units that I've researched over several months. Again, johntex, sorry for taking up room on your thread. I was just hoping to see if avid induction people would go to these lengths to have it or if I was totally crazy. As for your original question, I can only offer what I found in my research and the thoughts I went through in considering my options. Everyone, regardles of brand, seems to love their induction. This is the first I'd heard the specifics of the Thermador recall or any problems from it. The Electrolux/Kenmores are definitely the leader in pricing with Viking being the most expensive. I was afraid of the Electrolux models being a pain to clean around because of the way they sit up from the countertop, but owners assured me it was not a problem. The glass surfaces would be pretty equal in cleaning, but the ones with speckles, rather than glossy black, should hide fingerprints and waterspots better. I know this from having ceramic cooktop before. I never considered a hybrid model, because I figured I'd love the induction and avoid using the radiant burners, and I wanted to use every inch of it with no reservation/hesitation. I didn't want to resent having to use the other burners when forced to...Also, I'd think that part would be a pain to maintain, since food spills would cook on, which they won't on the induction side. I came to the conclusion that the way to choose a cooktop was by price and by configuration...How many and what size hobs will you need? Do you want a huge one in the center, or more evenly sized ones with larger burners in different places? Electrolux has their largest burners right next to each other. That might be a problem for me if I wanted to have large pans on both at once...and I thought it might be hard to reach the small burner behind the larger pots. I noticed yesterday that Kupperbusch offers a bridge burner, which might be desirable. As was already mentioned, Monogram has induction coming out soon. By the end of the year Miele should have theirs in the US (already in Canada). I talked with a rep aabout them and they sound exceptional for the construction quality and how the hobs are independent for power use and easier repair. I've also read rumors about Wolf and Bosch coming out with induction. Bosch is related to Thermador and Gaggenau, so I'm surprised they're lagging behind. Best wishes on your decision....See Morewhich induction cooktop?
Comments (29)Last summer I read these reviews and appreciated them all - thank you for taking the time to share. As a result, we ended up buying a 36", 5-burner, induction cooktop from The Great Indoors (Sears). We were fortunate to find a Bosch at almost half-price as the newer models were coming in - and we elected to purchase the 5-year extended warranty as we now do with all high-priced electronic appliances. Six to eight weeks after installation, one section (two burners) went out and Sears replaced it in our home at no cost to us. We were able to continue using the remaining three (3) "burners" (I know they have another name, but I still do not have the "lingo" down), so it really did not present a problem - but I definitely recommend buying an extended warranty! We absolutely love our cooktop - I would pay full-price tomorrow if I had to replace it because I enjoy cooking on it so much. I like the Bosch appearance - with only top and bottom stainless steel strips it is clean and sleek. But the cooking improvement over electric cooktops is immeasurable. I had regretted being unable to install a gas cooktop (our cooktop is in a center island over a slab) and now feel it was a blessing in disguise. The change in temperature when adjusted on induction is as immediate if not better than gas. Spilled or splattered food does not stick because the cooktop itself does not heat up and clean up is simple. Heated pans do transfer some of their heat to the cooktop; you cannot hold your hand on it, but I've touched them and not been burned. I am thrilled gas was not an option! To us, however, the most amazing part of cooking with induction is the lack of heat generated while cooking. We live in Houston, TX, (hot, yes!) and love to entertain, but I always felt wilted by the time dinner was on the table because of the heat coming off of the cooktop as I cooked. With induction, the only heat generated is within the pan and directly above it. You can literally touch the cooktop right next to the pan and it is cool. As a result, you can cook a meal utilizing several "burners" and remain comfortable while doing so. The first time I cooked dinner using three pans simultaneously (one of pasta in boiling water), I was stunned that I was cool and comfortable when I put dinner on the table. It is wonderful when entertaining! I can't believe that salespeople don't use this as a selling point! Again - my thanks. I love induction cooking! Now - on to new countertops as we continue updating our 30-year-old kitchen! Any suggestions?...See MoreNew induction Range advice needed
Comments (9)On the question about 50 A circuits: All of your candidate ranges have been "spec-ed" for 40 amp circuits. Your existing hookup should be fine. Do be aware that you will need to separately purchase and attach a cable and plug for the stove. There are two kinds of plugs and that you need to purchase the type that matches your existing outlet. Assuming that your 240 circuit was installed in the 1980s with the old coil-burner stove, the outlet is most probably a three-conductor outlet (three wires in the cable and three pins on the plug). Since the 90's, codes have required 4-conductor cables and outlets in new construction but usually do not require you to upgrade an existing installation. The stove's install instructions will tell you how to attach both kinds of cable/plug. Just make sure you get the one that matches your existing wiring. (You can buy the connector cable from the store that sells you the stove or just get one from a hardware store.) Regarding oven odors, virtually every installation and user manual for every kind of currently available stove will tell you to remove the oven racks and run a self-clean cycle (with a hood vent running) before you do anything else with your new stove. For ovens without pyrolitic self-cleaning, the manual wll tell you to run a "burn-in" on the bake/roast setting at, say, 400F for 45 minutes and then to run the broiler for a similar time. This process gets rid of "bad smells" by burning off the oils from manufacturing and shipping as well as any accumulated dust. Most reports of bad-smells-on-first-use come from folks who did not read their stove's manual and skipped this step. If you do this and still get bad smells, it is time for a warranty call. For info on the specific stoves, the GW search engine can be hit or miss. I suggest you try an external search engine, such as Google, and include "gardenweb" in your search string. For example, google "GE + PHB920 + gardenweb" to get a list of threads discussing that stove. For more info on the GE freestanding, try using "PHB920" in your search string. That may garner more hits than "GE Profile PHAB920SFSS," especially here at GW. Also, you can check out the mechanically similar slide-in version, PHS920 plus the long threads on the predecessor models, and PHS925 & PHB925 which had very similar guts. The main differences between the old 925 and current 920 models are the exterior styling and the 920 series has a different convection oven set-up. The newer 920 models have a full power (2000 watt) third heating element for a "truer" convection set-up. Like most current three-element convection ovens. the ovens in the older GE models and those made by Elux/Frigidaire models all use a much smaller 300 watt third element. I looked at an Electrolux EI30IF40LSfor a friend a couple of months ago and it seemed to be very similar to the CEI30IF4LS that you cited. (I'm guessing that the "CEI" simply means they are selling the stove in Canada and that it is otherwise the same.) We were not able to find one hooked up for testing-out so I can't report on actual use. I do recall from the owner's manual that it has the ability to link the two 7" diameter left-hand burners for use with a griddle (you can do the same with the GE except that the burners are a bit larger -- 8" in diameter -- and have to be controlled individually.) The Elux also has more finely graduated settings at the low end -- I think it was quarter-steps between numbers rather than half steps -- which might be useful with some pressure cookers and/or delicate sauces, if you are into those kinds of cooking. You are right that there is not much here on the Elux freestanding or the knob-controlled Frigidaire. If memory serves, seattlelandlord posted about the Elux last year, and that name may help with searches. The newer knob-equipped Kenmore induction ranges are made for Sears by Frigidaireand are variations on the CGIF3061NF. You could search on them as well as the Frigidiare. They also might be a better buy than the Frigidiare. IIRC, the Kenmore model numbers are 95053, 95073, and 95103. They more or less straddle the Frigidaire features. There was a brief discussion of those models here a couple of months ago. Here's the link if you haven't already seen it: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/appl/msg111159038999.html?10 This post was edited by JWVideo on Wed, Jan 7, 15 at 17:52...See MoreNeeding help to decide on induction range - Kenmore vs Frigidaire
Comments (10)The Kenmore and Frigidaire both have (IIRC) something like 19 or 20 power settings for the stovetop burners. Those (and induction's responsiveness) should provide the fine-tuning you've missed with the coil burners and radiant electric stoves. Combining purchasing of multiple appliances? That can give you some bargaining ability, too. See what Labor Day brings, then. To go back to your concern about some online comments from reviewers who thought the Kenmore "could have been better at baking," consider a couple of points that might allay your concerns about that aspect of your choosing between the Frigidaire model and the Kenmore version with the larger oven. The Reviewed.com write up on the Kenmore, IIRC, was the one which "thought it could have been better at baking." Their knock was that the oven temperature cycled up and down. I'm pretty sure that they were measuring temperatures right after the "preheat" indicator came on, which means the oven was still cycling and the oven walls were not fully preheated. You've probably seen the discussions here about most oven preheat indicators only measuring air temperatures. Fully preheating the walls (for radiant heating and even baking) takes double or more the preheat time. I would discount Reviewed.com's comment accordingly. You also mentioned Consumer Reports. It's rating chart gives the Kenmore a half red-dot, rather than a full red dot, for baking performance. CR measures baking performance on multiple trays of sugar cookies which it runs under a scanner to detect what may be very fine differences on the exact degree of sameness of browning. It also is grading on a curve and measuring degrees of excellence. CR does not really explain how much "better" an "excellent" rating is over a "very good" and "good" rating. (For all we know, the differences might well be imperceptible to most of us.) Further, CR's tests of baking multiple sheets of sugar cookies are usually conducted without using any convection functions which often (though not always) even out the baking of such things. Also consider that the "half-dot" rating for the Kenmore is the same as for the Frigidiare and Electrolux freestanding ranges. Consider also that the relatively longstanding Electrolux EW301S slide-in got a "good rating" from CR for baking while the long threads here on that slide-in report what users have seen as generally excellent baking and roasting abilities. So, I would say a "very good" rating for baking from CR does not mean the Kenmore is a subpar performer unless you suffer from what we used to call the "yuppie disease" --- anything is a terrible product if it is not universally rated as the absolute best-there-ever-was. :>)...See Moremegregor
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