Avoid Liebherr at all costs!
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24' Appliances: Liebherr or Fagor?? Bertazzoni or other?
Comments (8)I like your criteria as you described them in your first par. FWIW, an 18" Miele dishwasher holds a lot and has other features that really make sense and that are not found in other DWs. For small fridges I can give you input. First, keep in mind that almost all the 24" fridges are copycats of another, and the subcontractors that make the boxes, liners, compressors and other parts sell to them all, so many of these companies' products are identical to a T except for the door bins and trim pieces. Second, don't believe any numbers about the internal volume. Calculate cubic feet yourself by measuring H x W x D and dividing by 1728. Some fridges have TWO compressors, one for the freezer and for the fridge. Not many in the 24" size. Some fridges use a passive cooling system, that does not force air to move, and therefore does not dry out your foods. Fridges that circulate air are known as frost-free or auto-defrost. The word "Frost" is used, even for the fridge compartment. They dehumidify the air and dry out all foods, some at a very slow rate, some faster. Food can spoil faster. With passive cooling, fridge humidity is high --- and this is good for foods. There will be excess humidity (condensation) sliding down a runnel and draining into a small tray on top of the compressor to evaporate from there. This returns to the room the same h20 that came from room air in the first place. When you open the fridge door you put humid room air into the fridge. All fridges make noises. Coolant liquid is being turned into gas and then back into liquid again, in the cooling circuit that pulls heat out of the fridge and puts it into the backside or outside sides. Assuming the noises a fridge can make in an open area will be important to you, here is my assessment. --LG's fridge works very well, and makes few noises. One compressor. --Fagor's fridge makes a number of noises all described in their Use & Care manual, which you can get on their web site. One compressor. --Liebherr's freestanding and built-in models are quiet; that means there is still some noise, but it is deemed negligible. They switch a single compressor over two independent cooling circuits. Since there are also two independent air circuits, air circulation can be stopped in the fridge compartment, to make it into passive cooling. This is an option described in their Use & Care manual, which you can get somewhere on the web. -Three or more companies have a Danish design, Vestfrost, with two compressors. Each compressor is unaffected by the other cooling circuit. They are quiet, making very little hum -- probably running at only 10% to 20% of their capacity. Their fridge and freezer are both passive cooling. Thus the freezer needs manual defrosting once in a blue moon. ----Home Depot's web site has a Vestfrost but I've not seen it in a store. ----Summit's 24" fridges include their CP171 model: this is the Vestfrost. ----ConServ's two 24"s are both Vestfrosts in design, one being an "old" model, one being a newer model. I've seen both in operation. For the companies below I don't know what noises they make. GE has one now that is a copycat but I never studied it. Summit has more 24" fridges, with air moving (autodefrost) and only one compressor. Blomberg has two 24" fridges -- with an original design for North America, because the freezer is frost-free but the fridge compartment is passive cooling. Also: 24" integrated and therefore 22" wide in reality (so it's a cubic foot less than the 24"w) are Liebherr, Blomberg, and Miele (so far only in Canada), all running on the same frame and compressor. They are so similar that their door bins are interchangeable. I have read in several places that two adults can use 8 cu.ft. of fridge space. After downsizing, I would say 6 cubic feet is enough, and 7 is plenty. The more shelves, the less space is wasted. All the models described above are bottom freezer models. Late this year Danby may introduce a bottom freezer model, according to the email I received when I asked them. Danby and Avanti make reliable top freezer models that you may find totally acceptable, and that others would say a landlord would put into a rented apartment. Also consider Ariston's 36" wide undercounter two-drawer fridge. It gives you more counter top surface but robs you of counter drawers. For cooking, I can't help if you are going with an electric range and not induction. HTH -david...See Moreto all liebherr refrigerator owners
Comments (99)Kathleen Perry. well not that made in part or full at same site would it matter... not sure what his or her point was, as that doesn't drive my purchase decisions of 3 Leibherr chilling units. but your store's staff might want to amplify about their source. there is little question that nearly all microwave guts come from Sharp, but for refrig my research differs from your source Liebherr has been producing refrigerators and freezers since 1954. They are now produced in five countries, i.e. Germany, Austria, Bulgaria, Malaysia and India. Liebherr-Hausgeräte GmbH in Ochsenhausen (Germany) coordinates all activities of the division as the divisional controlling company. Liebherr produces refrigerators and freezers at five sites in Europe and Asia. Kluang (Malaysia) Lienz (Austria) Ochsenhausen (Germany) Radinovo (Bulgaria) Aurangabad (India) (JPG, 109 KB) Miele, is family-owned company manufacturing most of its own products. Apr 14, 2016. Germany - Gütersloh factory m.miele.com › com › germany-guet... Production sites - Mielealso the competence centre for domestic and semi-commercial laundry care within the Miele Group. Here, Miele produces its washing machines (frontloaders) and washer-dryers. These are joined by the production of pressings, cast-iron components and enamelled casing sections for other Miele production plants as well as product and process development for Miele plants in Uničov (Czech Republic) and Ksawerów (Poland). China for vacuums Established in 1996 as a joint venture with Melitta, the Dongguan plant has been fully owned by the Miele Group since 2009. Currently Miele produces the Swing H1, Compact C1, Compact C2 and Complete C2 vacuum cleaners here. This includes, for example, the production of plastic components through in-house injection moulding as well as assembly. As with vacuum cleaners from the Bielefeld factory, all motors come from Miele in Euskirchen. Approx. 320 employees manufacture about 500,000 vacuum cleaners per year at the Dongguan factory....See Moreliebherr fridges - don't buy!
Comments (33)It pains me to read a review like zydecobb12's. When my husband and I were shopping for a new refrigerator seven years ago, we looked at all the high-end models and read all the reviews. Of course, reviews of all brands were mixed. When we went to look at the actual products, we found that only the Liebherr featured a very simple design and very accessible components. My husband said "This is the one for us. Anything that could go wrong is visible (if you move the refrigerator out from the wall) and seems fixable." Of course the freezer seized up during a spell of hot humid weather. We melted the ice and presto. Easy peasy, especially if one hasn't tossed out the Owner's Manual. No need for a service call. (We didn't order the ice maker since reviews of every cooling device on the Web includes many ice-maker horror stories.) Our Liebherr (freestanding, 30" wide, bottom freezer) has been otherwise flawless. I don't work for Leibherr. Our unit might still go pouf some day. I hate writing product reviews. But for some reason I find myself provoked to offer this rebuttal. Now I'll sign off. Best wishes to everyone searching for the right product....See MoreLiebherr - Freezer problems
Comments (22)Paul as you know the freezer section is at the bottom, therefore you need to unplug the refrigerator and pull out all the drawers in the freezer section and you will need to place some towels at the bottom to absorb excess water from the thawing process. allow the freezer to thaw out, you could speed up this process by using an hair dryer. All the plastic panels will need to be removed because that’s where the evaporator is located and also the evaporator heater is located like your technician suggested. The heater can be unplugged from it’s connecting terminal and tested with an ohmmeter for continuity before condemning it and purchasing a new one. When I tested mine the heather was good. The water drain hole is located below the evaporator and if it is plugged due to food particles then you will need to unplug it, I also used the help of my air compressor to clear the drain hole and to make sure that’s when I used a small funnel to pour water in it and make sure it drains at the back of the refrigerator on top of the right compressor where there is a small container where water eventually evaporates due to heat generated by the freezer compressor during it’s operation. Now you can put all the panels together in the freezer section and all your drawers and you’re done. This is what I did and the Refrigerator has been trouble free for the last 1-1/2 year. But I removed the ice maker because it was a constant problem. COSTCO has a countertop ice maker for $89 and you’ll never runout of ice ....See MoreTrevor Lawson (Eurostoves Inc)
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