Attic Trusses
garymunson-2008
15 years ago
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Comments (10)If you are following the 10,20,40,60 rule, stud walls with foam sheathing will not get you there, unless of course you are planning on using 4" of XPS exterior foam sheathing. Even then, as Springtime notes, thermal bridging plays into the assembly and reduces the total r value. If you want to hit r40 walls, the cheapest way to do so is with double stud wall construction. Also if you want to hit r60 with spray foam on the roof....get ready to pay dearly. And then pay some more! I prefer to detail the air barrier at the sheathing plain, and the go to product is Huber ZIP sheathing. It creates a good air barrier and eliminates the need for wraps and products such as Tyvek. Caulking is critical at plates, headers, sills, heads, etc to continue the air barrier. Once the house is tight (first priority) then you can insulate. It is next to useless to insulate a loose house. As Worthy states, houses dont breath, at least by means of leaking through the walls. Give it mechanical lungs that allows you to control when it breaths (ERV/HRV for your climate). While spray foam is a good product, its also a very expensive product. Even though open cell is getting more affordable, its still a lot more expensive then caulk and blown fiberglass/cellulose. It also air seals the stud bays, but fails to address leak prone areas such as top and bototm plate connections. Spray foams place the air barrier at the inside of the sheathing plane. The advantage to placing it on the exterior plane is the sheathing can extend down past the sills, rim joist area, top plates, etc to help prevent leaking in those areas. You also do not want to use exterior foam AND spay foam on the inside. This creates a moisture trap and prevents drying of your assembly to either direction. However after you get to around r30, your walls stop controling your biggest loss. your windows and doors will limit the total performance of your assembly. You can have r100 walls surrounding a large expanse simply dual pane glass and it would be all for nothing. Triple glazing windows helps, but sometimes do not always pay off. My go to wall assembly for most climates is a 2x6 framed wall, blown/dense packed fiberglass or cellulose insulation, air sealing/caulking, Huber zip sheathing, 1-3" of XPS exterior foam (depends on zone), vertical strapping for a drainage plane....See MoreFinishable attic vs outdoor improvements
Comments (10)The appraisal was low so we're into cash more than the usual 20%. This part is well over that point. The re-appraisal for the conversion may go better, but we wanted to keep the loan kinda low anyway. It helps to remind myself it's cash since there's not any of the normal advantage of the attic being something you could finance in a first mortgage, as compared to other types of improvements (pool, outbuilding) that would be cash or some other loan vehicle if you wanted to borrow. The drawing shows it as unfinished. We didn't intend to finish the space right off, just have better storage and potential to finish, so there's no repercussions on the loan for not finishing. It costs $30k to have the potential to make it living space later; it'd be a fair piece more to actually finish the space, and we're not really sure we ever would. We designed the downstairs to meet all our real living needs. If finished, the attic would be used only by the people with good knees (kid/kids/me?). And it would be a rather tunnel-like space. I'm amazing myself how unenthused I am by it after a good 6-8 weeks of thinking I just had to have it. Good idea on the script for a lap pool but he's not a fan of doctors and wouldn't convey enough to a doc to get the script anyway. He's lived with the knees for years, and the back is intermittent. But-for realizing that he can't carry the baby upstairs to bed safely, we'd probably keep living as we do where he climbs the stairs exactly once a day very slowly without complaining. We've talked before about putting an infinity pool in the garage to help with his knees but since he doesn't complain it doesn't rise to the top of the to-do list....See MoreInitial plan critique
Comments (4)Well deja vu...I hate the back button, especially after I write a ton of stuff. The plan that, I not so subtly borrowed from is here Georgian house plan (Not a fan of the actual photo, the drawing is much more what I am going for.) Changed the entire roof structure to allow a true 2 story, and allow use of trusses. The dining room is very nice, we sacrificed our formal dining space in our current house for a larger kitchen and while not quite regretting it, we are missing it. The living room will probably really be used as a large study/office. Moreover, what else would we do with the space? The location for the closets is an idea that came from a house we considered buying. The hall closets had doors that were essentially hidden and looked like wainscoting. My wife loved it, if done properly they will look like a feature wall more than a wall of closets. I am pretty sure I can do it well so... I am not sure how practical they really are but, as you say there is no such thing as a useless closet. I am having trouble visualizing your suggestion for the closets. The foyer is large but really unless we scrap the entire plan it is just going to have to stay large. There is 52" between the wall of the dining room and the stairs, but I am protecting some of that space for shrinkage (explained later), the area between the stairs and the living room wall is 60", and you have to get the door to the basement in that space. The passage really can't shrink too much as even that space is not full height. I am attaching a picture from http://ciaonewportbeach.blogspot.com to visualize what we are doing. I am really insisting on slightly over 7 feet of master closet. I am just preserving the right to cut out 10" of width through the entire house, which I will do if I expand the house length to get extra garage space. The kitchen island is 12 ft long and has seating at it. The breakfast area is narrow for sure but 18 ft long. Which is much longer than is going to be needed. We considered a bump-out for a breakfast nook and expanding the great room and the kitchen, but decided instead to just let this work as I hate bump-outs. I don't love fireplaces. I am not opposed to putting in a wood burning fireplace, but to be fair we will never use it, and it will just end up being another spot in the great room that you can't put furniture in front of. This is one of those things that we will cost out and if we have to, we will do it but I really don't want to. The laundry room is not my idea. I had the space reversed, as a laundry room and a storage area that was more like an overflow pantry and EVERYONE told me to change it. So I did. We are designing the house with 19 cubic inches of fridge, another 19 of freezer and 8 feet of 96" tall pantry cabinets. I felt like the pantry will only be used as an overflow but, so many people argued against it. We want the laundry close to the kitchen and away from the bedroom. There are several reasons, for me because my laundry equipment sings (I mean it plays music constantly) and my wife loves to put laundry in as we go to bed for some unknown reason. If the load is not balanced the washing machine will hum a tune at us for hours. Yes, I know we can turn it off, my wife likes it...She also likes the work spaces and kitchen spaces close, which is the reason I talk about when we are in front of her friends. Upstairs toilet and tub on the outside wall allows me to plumb the expansion space for free. I was thinking the room would be better if we flipped the doorway to the hall and moved bedroom 4 door out a little, but I might consider moving the sink to the other wall....See MoreSuggestions to adding floor to pole barn attic
Comments (30)"farmer barbie built paper doll level support of low level quality pole barn trusses." So you think a farmer would store farm machinery worth millions under low quality construction? LOL. An equestrian facility 4 miles from me spared no expense building their pole barns (5) for their own horses and others and many thoroughbreds exceed $100K in price. Yep just a bunch of broke posers living around me. I and twelve others live on 160 acres zoned Rural reserve surrounded by subdivisions in a suburb 15 miles from Minneapolis. We've ran off developers over the years wanting our land with huge offers and we refused. We like our land along with our pole barns which are code exempt so we can do as we please, and believe you can take that code and shove it. None of my stereotyped poor rural neighbors live in pole barns or call themselves pros, and don't believe anyone mentioned living in a pole barn. But the OP's 8' x 9' space in his pole barn can certainly be turned into a storage loft will minimal expense or effort....See Moremeldy_nva
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