With all these posts about the lack of having to do the on/off thing, as a newbie 3 or 4 years ago, where did I get the idea that I have to do this??? I seem to be making more work for myself. Is it a zonal thing? Did I miss the medical study where they decided it's no longer necessary? Did I misunderstand something in the beginning that I interpreted as tops on/off for a period of time for hardening off? What's making me do all these extra steps that apparently are unnecessary? I obviously missed something. Perhaps I interpreted a 'rogue frost' on/off protection (for tenders) as 'watch the weather every day and apply it to every container you have' and messed up the whole process in my yard. I think I need to go back and visit the FAQs to see where I went wrong. No sense doing this on/off nonsense if it's not necessary and no one else in Z5 is doing it!

Lisa, Oh the lake looks so sad. Not to worry. You are the woman who always has an overflowing rain gauge while mine is collecting dust and dead bugs. I have faith in the weather there. I think OKC will get good rainfall in April-June. Let's hope that faith is not misplaced. LCDollar, Poor Lake Canton. I was watching the news from that part of the state last year as the lake levels fell. I don't blame the local residents for being upset. I don't think we should steal water from one part of the state to help another unless it is a truly desperate situation. We have had low-flow toilets since we built this house in 1999. We even had them back in Fort Worth long ago. It is one of the easiest ways to save water---almost effortless and well worth the investment. We do practice water conservation and always have, but I see plenty of people with sprinkler systems watering so much that water is running down the road. That drives me crazy. We catch water in rain barrels and buckets too and I try to make it last as long as possible. Lake Texoma is not at the lowest level it ever has reached, but it is headed in that direction. Without good spring rain, I think it will reach a new low elevation. It will get worse in a few months when one of the North Texas municipal water districts starts piping water out of it again. They have that right, and they've done it before, but since the lake is already so low, the residents and business owners around Lake Texoma aren't going to like it one bit. They are trying to be proactive and find ways now to restrict the amount of water piped out of the lake and to restrict how often the lake is used for power generation. Both of those items already are covered by long-established laws and rules, so I don't know that the "Save Lake Texoma" group will have any success in getting the restrictions tightened. In bad years, some areas almost go to war with the various entities fighting to get their share of whatever water is available. Down here in southern OK, we have had to fight the efforts of various water municipalities that have tried to force OK entities to sell water to them. I am a native Texas and I love Texas, but I want for them to work to create more reservoirs and better conservation and deal internally with their own water shortages. I want them to keep their hands off our water! I have watched ever since we bought our land here in 1997 as the growth of the D-FW metro area has grown by leaps and bounds and they have not begun construction on one new reservoir even though they have grown several million in population. We need for rain to fall in western OK and in western north Texas. They need it desperately and will be in trouble long before the rest of us are if they don't get good spring rains. The drought to our west is one reason that Lake Texoma is so low....there's not enough watering flowing down the rivers and into the lake. Dawn

Sounds like they don't use it anymore. Someone mentioned that in an earlier post. Peaked my interest because I've been using AVG and nothing ever spun. Copied and pasted from other post: (hope that's allowed) RE: AVG 8 File size? Posted by urlee on Fri, May 9, 08 at 9:14 I am up and running with it now. I like the changed format etc. Pretty And it doesn't have the spinning icon.

Yes thanks Corrine, and you too Ravencajun. I am running admin acct. Looks like that did it, but its always easier to see on preview. (Those logs aren't easy on the eyes. These old eyes like whitespace:) Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.4 Scan saved at 4:01:01 PM, on 6/9/2012 Platform: Windows XP SP3 (WinNT 5.01.2600) MSIE: Internet Explorer v8.00 (8.00.6001.18702) Boot mode: Normal Running processes: C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe c:\Program Files\Microsoft Security Client\MsMpEng.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe C:\Program Files\Digital Media Reader\shwiconem.exe C:\Program Files\CyberLink\PowerDVD\PDVDServ.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\VTTimer.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\VTtrayp.exe C:\WINDOWS\SOUNDMAN.EXE C:\Program Files\Microsoft Security Client\msseces.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe C:\Program Files\Xmarks\IE Extension\xmarkssync.exe C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 10.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\AOL\112263~1\EE\AOLHOS~1.EXE C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\AOL\112263~1\EE\AOLServiceHost.exe C:\Program Files\Common Files\AOL\TopSpeed\2.0\aoltsmon.exe C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jqs.exe C:\Program Files\Common Files\New Boundary\PrismXL\PRISMXL.SYS C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\wuauclt.exe C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\Downloads\HijackThis.exe R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157 R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896 R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896 R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157 R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Window Title = Internet Explorer, optimized for Bing and MSN R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,ProxyServer = http= O2 - BHO: AcroIEHelperStub - "18DF081C-E8AD-4283-A596-FA578C2EBDC3> - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelperShim.dll O2 - BHO: SSVHelper Class - "761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43> - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\ssv.dll O2 - BHO: ST - "9394EDE7-C8B5-483E-8773-474BF36AF6E4> - C:\Program Files\MSN Apps\ST\01.03.0000.1005\en-xu\stmain.dll O2 - 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HKLM\..\Run: [APSDaemon] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\APSDaemon.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe ARM] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\ARM\1.0\AdobeARM.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [MSC] "c:\Program Files\Microsoft Security Client\msseces.exe" -hide -runkey O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe" O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MsnMsgr] "C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\MsnMsgr.Exe" /background O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [updateMgr] C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\Reader\AdobeUpdateManager.exe AcRdB7_0_9 O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Xmarks] C:\Program Files\Xmarks\IE Extension\xmarkssync.exe -q O8 - Extra context menu item: &AOL Toolbar search - res://C:\Program Files\AOL Toolbar\toolbar.dll/SEARCH.HTML O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE/3000 O9 - Extra button: (no name) - "08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501> - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jp2iexp.dll O9 - 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