Please help! Contractor tiled shower without waterproofing...
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Comments (18)You asked if this can be fixed without removing the tub. Yes. It would be a matter of removing the cement board with the attached tile from above the tub. Unless this is the world's worst tile job, that tile isn't coming off the cement board any time soon, so it all goes together. You may cry, but they need to take a hammer to your new tile to get at the board underneath. It's unlikely that there is cement board down behind the tub. Most tubs (all?) are designed to be installed next to the studs. For the bit of wall in front of the tub, they use a skinny piece of cement board to cover that space. Do you need to remove showerhead, etc.? Sort of. You need to unscrew the fixtures from the underlying plumbing pipes and cap the lines until the work is done. Not a big deal. That tubs and showers need to be waterproofed as StoneTech described is not something known only to those in the know. The 18 year old kid in the tile isle at HD knows this, I know this, there is no way a contractor doesn't know this. My guess is 1) someone forgot to staple up the poly, which is a cheap and quick job, before they hung the cement board and they decided to forget it, or 2) he took a short cut and figured he'd be gone before you discovered the wall damage. In any case, you have a problem. Yes, the whole tile job needs to come down and done over. Having just done this same job (DIY) in our own bath, I would suggest that Kerdi is overkill for a tub enclosure, but you can if you want. We hemmed and hawed and finally went with HydroBan, but the poly is also acceptable. Grout and cement board are both permeable - there has to be a barrier. If all is right in the world, your contractor owes you for demo, materials, and re-do....See MoreTile setter not waterproofing shower
Comments (17)I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Do you mean he should have used a vapor barrier behind the Fiberock? yes. Is this in a code somewhere? It is hard to find the codes on-line without paying for them. yes. As well as in the TCNA Handbook, it will also be found in the ANSI standards (American National Standards Institute-- the book that governs ALL phases of building). It'll be found somewhere either in ANSI 108 or ANSI 118, not sure which one, but if you can't find someone local to look it up for you, I'll dig and find the exact spec. And since he didn't use a vapor barrier, is the only solution now to apply the liquid waterproofing? Either that, or take the fiberrock back down and put up the vapor barrier. Oh, and does UPC 417.4.1 not apply? Not sure what 417.4.1 is. As for Bill's link to Noble Company and preslope codes, that's 412.8 in the UPC code....See MorePlease help with master shower remodel and tile selection!
Comments (15)IMO you do not have space for a free standing tub. I always mention the ability to clean behind and at the ends of the tub, a big PITA even wher there is the space. As for tile I love 12 x24 porcelain tile layed in a stacked pattern and the same tile on the floor anshower walls, I do not like those pepples in a contemporay setting and wood look tiles IMO belong only where you would put real wood so not on shower walls. Go with the best tile you can find beleive me over the next ten yrs. the price difference is small.Please do not do the niche in an accent tile there is no need to draw attention to shampoo bottles IMO. A large window is something I love in a shower or tub area if there is no need for privacy.I like the idea of the teak floor but just remember it has to be able to be cleaned underneath from time to time. A small curb is not a problem and IMO the work that needs doing to go curbless is not worth it, thats the monet I would spend on good tile.I love Schluter edging in a contemporay space ans much cleaner look than bull nose which IMO always looks tacky. I like the grout on walls and floors to be as close as possible to the tile color....See MoreSmall bathroom remodel -- does tile guy waterproof shower?
Comments (18)live_wire_oak: I agree that remodeling a bathroom is a complex job and I am approaching it with caution. I have learned a lot from my unfortunate experience. Some of my lessons learned: Insist that the architect include an electrical and lighting plan in the specs, even if he/she claims it's unnecessary Ask each contractor to provide, in writing, names and license numbers of all subs they plan to use on the job. (My crooked GC "discovered" part-way through the project that his favorite plumber had allowed his license to expire several years earlier, and added him as an "employee" retroactively.) Ask each contractor to provide names of all workers / employees, including relatives, whom they plan to use on the job and to provide evidence of worker's comp insurance Establish work tasks and exclusions in writing before signing contract; e.g., will plumber or demolition company remove existing toilet; will solar tube include a light / fan; will electrical include hanging light fixture over vanity. (My crooked GC insisted that wiring was included but installing sconces or pendant lights was excluded.) Pay my lawyer to review contracts before I sign them No excessive downpayments Allow at most two specialty contractors to work on the project simultaneously Require receipts of materials from contractors (or purchase directly, if possible) from suppliers, e.g., shower pan, plywood for sub-flooring (likely damaged by water leaks). Provide rules ahead of time: no kitchen privileges to workers; no blaring mariachi music on a boombox in my house Know the local code and don't rely on the City inspectors to catch every transgression Tile Corrector: Even with permits, inspectors miss things, e.g., Local code requires a humidistat on bathroom fans; CIty did not catch this omission by the crooked GC in my house Local code specifies: "Control valves and showerheads shall be located on the sidewall of shower compartments, arranged so that the showerhead does not discharge directly at the entrance to the compartment ..." See attached photo of a new build ($4.6M home) a few miles from me (same city, but closer to beach) -- jet showerhead aimed at shower door....See Morekmcg
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