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Need help with an uncomfortable issue

19 years ago

Hello,

I have a weird situation and feel funny asking for help, but was hoping that someone might be out there to lend a tiny hand. I don't normally get personal in here and won't say much, but DH and I are having some "problems" and now I have a pc issue b/c of it. We both have separate accounts on this pc and log on w/passwords. When I came online recently, I noticed that DH had been on "my side" of the pc and had read my emails and looked at some of my word docs, etc. I confronted him and asked how he got to my mail and other things when he doesn't know my passwords. He said that passwords didn't matter, that there were "other ways" around things. He joked about some program that records every key stroke. I am just trying to figure out how he got to my stuff and of course I would love to see what HE is up to. I do not know his log on password. In the control panel area, the only thing I can do is change his password or remove it, but there is no way to SEE it.

I didn't see anything too weird in add/remove programs, thinking something had been downloaded there. I did notice a weird icon thing at the bottom of my IE internet screen, though now I think it might be a legitimate item and not something DH did. It's some sort of "phishing filter". I saw a tiny pic of an eye, and thought I was being watched, but it's in the "tools" section, like it came with IE.

So I am wondering how to find out if my keystrokes are being monitored or how to look at what DH is doing, if I may ask that. I appreciate any help!!!!!!

Comments (27)

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    See if this helps

    Here is a link that might be useful: Here

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Unfortunatly, what I type here he can see if he is using the program he says he is. It takes screenshots every few seconds, there's no way around it usually. Without knowing what he installed, hard to say where it is located. You should see it running with msconfig or in the task manager

    Go to another computer (library possibly) and sign up for a free email program. I like gmail, but I'd have to send you an invite. I actually could do that, you then go to the library or a friends to set it up using a different password. You will then need to change all of your passwords from another computer if you don't want him nosing around.

    I'll be honest, if he's doing this, your marriage needs help & is possibly over.

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  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Gmail is now open to the public. An invitation is no longer needed. I just enrolled and am impressed with it.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I think DH is on his way to becoming XH.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I was curious as to what this was about, and as I have been doing my best to not upset everyone by posting suggestions that the most effective answer to almost all PC issues lies in using one version of Linux or another, I was going to leave it at an "oh well", but in this case I will offer you the one very best option for you.

    Please at least try this, it does really work
    Go to the link, and download & burn a Knoppix 5.1 CD.
    BETTER YET, BUY ONE OR GET SOMEONE TO DO IT FOR YOU AND HE'LL NEVER EVER EVEN KNOW!!!!! AND, IT COSTS ONLY $0.00

    Make sure your PC is set to allow booting from disc...If it's not, just about any friendly local geekoid will do this for you if you tell them just one thing... "I really want to try out some of those Linux discs I downloaded..."

    Put the disc in the CD reader and when it boots up you will have a >>>> SAFE SECURE PRIVATE Even better!!!!!! Put or buy an entire Linux OS on a 2GB or 4GB key/card and you can save and take everything with you everywhere you go.

    The PC will not boot into any MS OS and no keystroke logger nor any other installed software will ever work or record anything

    Put all your bookmarks, mail, file saving, photo saving, journals/diarys, chat, everything thru an online site/service (del.icio.us/gmail/photobucket/yahoo/etc) and always use at the least a TOTALLY RANDOM 12 character case-senstive (if allowed) alpha-numeric password THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO MEANING OR SIGNIFICANCE TO ANYONE ANYTHING ANYWHERE LIVING OR DEAD FOR ANY REASON EVER for everything and NEVER DO ANYTHING ON MSWindows AGAIN!!!!!!!

    When you are done using the PC, take out the disc and re-start the PC rebooting to MSWin, but never ever signing on. He'll never know a thing.

    SAVE YOUR SANITY AND JUST DO THIS!!! BUT......

    If you really want to keep things together and make a go of a lifetime together, I say "Go for it!". Do yourselves a big favor and set a few appointments with a marraige counselor or group TODAY. If he won't go, set up a few private counseling sessions for yourself. There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking out help during confusing times. Being married and remaining committed to it means you owe it to yourselves to seek out what is best for each of you, and if it can't be done together...........

    And so I must agree with ROSELVR:
    >>>> "I'll be honest, if he's doing this, your marriage needs help & is possibly over. "Now, you could set up your PC as a dual boot machine and keep everything of yours on a sepearate password protected Operating System, in seperate password protected partitions, with seperate password protected read/write priveleges, with everything you want to be yours and only yours and seen and known to/by only you password protected.

    If you like using a "LiveCd" but either don't like Knoppix or want to try other versions.. just go to your favorite friendly search engine ( http://clusty.com ) and search >>> linux "live cd" distributions Ask some of the local geek types about this stuff......
    They will be thrilled to show and tell and help with your endevour once they are aware of your curiousity and need

    Sorry to be so long winded, brevity is not one of my more endearing qualities.

    Good luck with whatever you decide to do....

    I am certain the supportive thoughts and prayers of many here are with you

    Here is a link that might be useful: Secure personal operating system

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I hope you both can reach a point where you can get it back together but in the mean time maybe an inexpensive laptop just for you would be the best solution. Just yours to use as you like and get some peace of mind. They aren't too expensive and maybe on your local craigslist you can get one for a few hundred dollars. Good luck with everything.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Thank you all for EVERYTHING. I am not on this pc a ton so the whole disk thing mentioned above seems like a bit much for me, but I hope you are not offended! I truly appreciate the effort and support. As for the marriage, I don't want to talk about it (it's way beyond problems plus he's prob reading this). I just wrote "problems" so folks would understand why all of the sneaky stuff. I did try the thing that Leslie posted and am emailing "that guy" at the site for further help. I do have Yahoo mail btw, which I like. I will check in here when I can. My aunt's bf is a pc geek and is also helping me on the side. Thank you again!!!

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Think I'd be using something like winzip to password anything like doc files you don't want snooped .. might be difficult for you to zip/unzip email constantly though. Save anything email private to a regular folder as .eml and zip it perhaps.

    Online web-email might be nice, just dont let windows save the password.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    If he has installed a keystroke recorder i'm wondering if you can prevent it recording your passwords by opening a Notepad file..fill it with a few lines of gibberish and include your passwords in the gibberish:
    jhjtyus775h43spasswordmmnjfyuudpasswordhhg765dfsgh
    Make sure the passwords match the other characters and not stand out.
    now go to Notepad file and copy and paste your password into your email when needed.
    A bit annoying but desperate times require...............

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    The problem is it depends on how snoopy he is. Someone just asked about software like this at another place I go to, said they wanted it for their kid, the one I suggested takes pics every few seconds & records key strokes. There is no time to open notepad to try to get around it.

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  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Unless you clean out your history it's very easy for anyone to see where you've been.

    For a less intense computer user, Ccleaner (yes, two c's) is very easy to run each time you log off the internet. I use it regularly just to clean up all the files that automatically download to the computer when you go online. I hadn't done it for a couple of weeks and had 60+ Mb of useless stuff!!! This link should take you to the free download page.

    Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I'm not sure if this will work, because you have separate accounts...and I'm not sure if this would affect programs running in his account.
    But, Returnil is a great program. It creates an artificial environment that deletes everything you do when you turn off your computer. You can get every virus in the world, and just reboot and everything is gone. You'll have to turn off the program to save files, unless you save them to an unprotected disk.

    You can download the trial version here to see if it works...

    Here is a link that might be useful: Returnil

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I'm sure Returnil will work. I just read the bottom line...

    "Easy-to-use; wipes out all changes made to your system"

    The trail software is good for 30 days...I believe. I'm pretty sure it will work after that, if you set your calendar back to within the 30 day period. LOL.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    >>> "I'm sure Returnil will work. I just read the bottom line..." No, it won't. Not for what you want it for. DON"T DO IT!!!

    Not long ago I swore I was never going to say anything bad about people who don't know any better giving bad advice to people who know even less. But, the latest responses to your concerns and what you are being told is good advice IS NOT!!! You start taking such advice from folks who have little if any experience, training, or education in such matters and you will soon be finding yourself in some serious trouble.
    This is not the time for you to be experimenting with or taking bad advice from people who mean well, but basically, and no offense intended, have very little to absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

    Before you take anybodys advice on such matters, were I you I would talk to a REAL SYS ADMIN with REAL WORLD >>>> UNIX/SOLARIS/OSX Keystroke loggers start with up with and run as a part (though not an intergral one) of MSWindows!!!! The minute you boot up it starts recoding every single keystroke ( passwords and the like too!!) you make! AND IT WILL KEEP ON RECORDING THEM UNTIL/UNLESS YOU BOOT INTO A DIFFERENT HOST OS!!!!

    You sign out/off & all of your "changes" are still there and nothing has been "WIPED OUT". Everything you did before you think you have done something "secure" is there nice and neatly logged just the way you originally entered it.If you want to INSURE erasure of your doings you must overwrite every newly written segment of your HDD at A MINIMUM OF 4 (which I would never trust, 8 times is best) OVERWRITES!!!!

    Either set up a dual boot sytem on that PC, or, the onl;y really certain way to insure your privacy is the Linux/Free-Open-Net-BSD/Solaris "Live CD" The "Live CD"option at $.125 and no one ever knows anything is your only "best" option.

    Just about any half awake high school cracker can remotely record and read and/or see anything you do while your doing it, now or later. And reading "deleted" keystrokes from your HDD would be about as much trouble as luring flies to rotted meat. The key to all these insecurity goings on is MSWindows!!! GET AND USE A "LIVE CD" AND DO/USE/SAVE EVERYTHING EITHER ON A PASSWORD PROTECTED kEY/CARD OR AT/THRU/WITH AN ONLINE SERVICE!!!!!

    Feel free to take anybody here's advice you choose, but just remember that the advice from all the MS-FanBoys and Girls is from all your fellow insecure computer users who get viri etc, and have all the browser and file and "what do I do" issues.. and all ya'll have the same problems and all y;all have the same issues with MSWindows, that uh...lemme see, oh yeah, I NEVER have.

    After beeing online since Oct 1991 (I checked yesterday) and currently having three PC's-2 IMacs-a laptop-and a PowerBook neither I nor the S.O. nor the kids, having all run at one time or another MacOS early OS's 6,7,8,9 and the "X"'s, Free and OpenBSD and a few of the new "LiveBSD" CDs, and over 40 Linux OS's.... I HAVE NEVER EVER had been successfully hit with a virus/worm/trojan/logger/cracker/root kit/scanner/forwarder/anything.
    I have 3 browsers, 7 windows,23 tabs open right now and I run, other than a little bitty and for all practical puproses damn near useless firewall, ZERO AV/security software.

    So listen to whoever you want, But you listen to the bad advice you are hearing here, and IMNSHO, you'll be setting yourself up for some unwanted and expensive legal advice if things do eventually head off towards divorce court.....

    My last words on the matter...........

    Good luck with whatever you choose to do

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Returnil works great. I just tried it with a program called keylogger. Returnil opens in startup. It cleared the keylogger log of everything I did as soon as i rebooted. No problem. Don't listen to that nonsense above. Some people just hate MS. Returnil actually creates its own partition, and runs a virtual OS from your ram. Safe and sound. It can't hurt to try...it's free for 15 days, not 30. Sorry.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    By the way...Keylogger's access code is...
    ctrl + alt + shift + A all four at the same time. If he is using keylogger, this will open the program so you can see the log.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    When I hit the above, I get AdBlock popping up. That's an add- on with Firefox.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I get nothing, not even adblock

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Although I cannot question the motives of either DH or DW, it seems to me that using a "public" computer for writing "secret" stuff is asking for the intrusion. And following all of the earlier suggestions is a bit of work that seems needless to me. Print out all of your e-mails and documents and leave them laying around for everyone to see.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Downloading and installing Returnil is simple.

    If the above doesn't open the keylogger program...that simply means that "Keylogger" isn't on your computer. There are many other programs that record everything you do. "Keylogger" was just the first one I tried. Returnil works great. You can get every virus in the world and just reboot, and your computer is clean. Last night, I put it through the tests...I visited those adult sites and got loaded down with viruses. I even tried to destroy my computer by deleting every windows file I could. As soon as I rebooted...everything was back to normal, like nothing ever happened. This program works from your memory and nothing is written to, or deleted from the hard drive. I've been using Returnil for about a year. It beats all AV software...hands down, and wipes out all changes made to your system just by restarting your computer. If you want the best award winning software for complete protection...Returnil is it.

    If you are really just wanting to spy on DH...try keylogger, available at download.com

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hello again,

    I am currently on home pc, so I can't say much. If I was on a diff. pc I would say more. I just wanted to thank those of you who posted kind responses to my query. I ended up figuring out what I needed to and feel somewhat better. On a different note, if I may ask, we have some sort of a virus type thing, where when we go to delete documents, copies of them are immediately created below them. Like I have a folder titled "Pics from digital cam". If I go in there and see a bunch of pics I no longer wish to have, I hold down the shift key, select them and delete them. But as I do that, I notice the scroll bar on the right getting smaller, and when I scroll down, the pics I just deleted are now down below, but it says something like "Copy (2) of copy of copy of dc272634" Anyone know how to make this go away or is it some type of virus that can't be caught?? Thank you again for everything!!

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Could be a coincidence. Try selecting a smaller group of pics to delete, or make a new folder, then drop them into that and delete the folder. For some reason, if I have a lot of pics or am rushing, I have the same thing happen where it makes copies instead. I chaulk it up to windows being flaky.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Are you sure you're not holding down the Ctrl key? When I do that and select more than 6 or so pictures windows makes copies. I get around it by making sure the pictures I want to select are in order then click on the first picture I want to select then hold down the shift key and click on the last picture. That way they are all selected and windows does not make copies.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Wow bob414!! Yes, I have been holding down the control key b/c I was always taught that it was how you selected a bunch of items at once. Maybe that only applies in certain areas?? I'll try just doing a few at a time then or moving some to another folder. Can I hold down the control key to select a bunch for moving to another folder, without creating a bunch of copies?? Thank you again!

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I think I found the answer. It doesn't seem to be happening to everyone so I did a little looking around and found this:
    Solution on another web site.
    It appears that if you hold down the control key and click on a picture and move it even a tiny bit windows makes a copy, so after you have selected several pictures while holding down the control key and move one of them slightly it will makes copies of all the selected pictures.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Good find Bob, I wondered why on occasions I had those pesky copies created. At least I know why now. Not sure I will invoke his cure as I can be a bit erratic with my mouse at times and will end up with far too many unwanted photos opening.

  • 19 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I won't invoke the cure either but it was really bugging me even though I got around it by using the shift key when selecting several photos. I thought it happened after you selected a certain number of photos while holding down the Ctrl key but experimenting proved that wrong. It was a relief to find out it wasn't a bug in my machine.