Large window in kitchen causing outlet placement issues. Need help pls
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tough kitchen layout need your help pls!
Comments (14)My questions: Why does the sink have to be centered under the window? How flexible are you with windows and doors? If flexible (i.e., can change sizes or locations), your options open up considerably. Even just changing sizes (not locations) will give you many more options. Can the window be changed/moved? Can the patio doors be changed to 48" wide total (two 24" doors instead of two 30" doors)? BTW...I also advise you not to assume your teens will be out of the house "soon". There is a very good possibility they will be back following graduation. More and more, young adults are returning to the "nest" for a few years until they can get established in a career and are able to afford to live on their own. This means you could be looking at 3 or 4 cooks and more entertaining in the next few years. My advice is to come up with a kitchen that will work well with one or two (you and your spouse) as well as with 3 or 4. Your questions: Should I keep the short wall at the corner of the peninsula, or should I get rid of it, and make the counter top go all the way to the end? To the right of the counter top, about 1' away is a door to the laundry room. I think I would like it to be opened up all the way. if I make the change as #1 will it look better to have the wall cab at both sides of refrig 12 inch deep? Like the others, I think moving the refrigerator would to the long wall would be better overall. It will get the refrigerator out of the dead end and easily accessible to both people working in the kitchen as well as keep someone looking for a drink or snack from getting in the way of those working in the kitchen (e.g., at the sink or peninsula). It will also open up that area much more. The long wall is plenty open enough that the refrigerator will not "close it in"...not so the base of the "U" where it's currently located. any suggestion on the placement of glass door wall cabs? No opinion right now. Anyone using Wolf 36 inch all gas range - did you make the hood cabinets 3 inch longer on each side (to 42 inch) like suggested by the range instruction? I think it looks too bulky but afraid the heat will damage the cab. I highly recommend making the hood 6" wider (3" for each side). We like the look of decorative hood. However we do cook heavily. We are planning to get a ventilation hood with higher cfm but still wondering if the decorative will hood hold up to the cooking grease and smokes? (To my experience stainless steel is not the easiest to clean either, sigh) I like the idea of a decorative wood hood to match the rest of the cabinetry. We have a SS hood, and it's not that bad keeping it clean. We don't do a lot of greasy cooking, but we do enough...browning meat for tacos, sloppy joes, chili, etc. However, I like the decorative hood idea better! Is a wall oven a must in any kitchen? I'll get a Wolf range with oven. I don't think I'll need it and currently planning to stay in this house for more than 10 years. Definitely not! If you don't have a need for an extra oven, don't get one! However, if you plan to stay in this home when you retire ("age in place"), you might consider at least making a place for one in the future. Or, you could put one in now...maybe an oven/MW stack. Wall cab besides the hood - they are not as symmetric as I'd like. Am I being too picky? No opinion right now. Base cabinets - drawers or pull out cabinets? Pros and cons for each? Which should be next to the cooking range? Drawers! Drawers, IMHO, are far better than roll out tray shelves (ROTS) (a.k.a., pull out shelves). I've linked a thread discussing the pros/cons of each. You may need one for tall items, but you'd be surprised how much will fit in a single deep drawer. If by "pull out cabinets" you mean attached to the door and pull out when you open the door (like a trash pullout, for example), depending on the application, they can also be more useful than regular cabinets (upper & base). I have two sets of pots & pans...for gluten-free cooking (me) and for all other cooking. All of them are stored in drawers...and it's a great way to store them. The "regular" pots & pans are stored in 36" wide drawers under my cooktop...top shallow drawer has knives & prep tools (for "regular" cooking), the middle deep drawer has pots, the bottom deep drawer has pans and a wok. My GF pots are in two deep 24" drawers (fewer of them). My mother stores hers in regular base cabinets and they're a pain to access b/c you have to get on your hands & knees to get the items in the back. ROTS would be better, but then things can fall off. Drawers, to me, are far better. The only other type of storage I recommend for pots & pans is in a corner susan...that's what we had in our old kitchen & it worked very well. Everything was always in right in front of your...just rotate the susan and there's the item you need! How about something like this...assuming the window and doors can be changed...? Layout #1: This gives you a Prep Zone that will not be in conflict with the Cleanup Zone. It also gives you a lot of prep space b/w the prep sink on the peninsula and the range on the right wall. Your refrigerator is located so it's easily accessible from the kitchen, the DR, the LR, and the outside...without non-kitchen work activities getting the way of kitchen activities (prepping, cooking, cleaning up). There's even a secondary Prep Zone b/w the range and cleanup sink under the window. It has an optional oven stack for a MW alcove and wall oven. If you decide against it, see Layout #2 (below) for an idea. You have a 6' wide pantry with 12" deep shelves...a depth most of here at GW have found to be close to "perfect". The shelves are not so deep that things get lost, but they're deep enough to stack 2 or 3 cans (front-to-back), the majority of small appliances, most storage containers (Tupperware, Rubbermaid, Container Store, etc.) I put in a small table, but I don't think you'll need it with the peninsula seating. Speaking of seating at the peninsula, there are 4 seats and a 15" overhang. I did move the peninsula cabinets a bit toward the DR so they're flush with the wall b/w the LR & Kitchen. Yes, seating will be on the DR side with the higher ceiling, but I think it will be fine b/c there are no upper cabinets in that same space to draw attention to the ceiling difference. The cabinet in the corner to the right of the range is turned 90 degrees so it faces the DR. This is a better use of space a blind cabinet, and even better than a corner susan. In it, you could store items needed in the DR...table cloths, place mats, candles, etc. If you don't need additional storage in the DR, it could be used for seasonal kitchen items. Here is Layout #1 with Zones: Layout #2: Here is a link that might be useful: Thread: Drawers or doors with pull outs?...See MoreUnder cabinet lighting and outlet placement HELP PLEASE!
Comments (4)You can get short undercabinet lights. Even my kitchen which isn't so convoluted os yours I put an individual light bar under each cabinet. Your designer/electirican should have no problem with this. I don't see anything too complex about yours. The electrical will have to rough in the wiring at the proper location for each cabinet. Make sure they rough in a box for the vent hood (get the manual out for the hood you want to use). Usually, they need a receptacle mounted up where the shroud around the exhaust duct goes. As for your countertop receptacles, your "intent" is immaterial to the code. Every spot along the counter (measured along the wall) needs to be within 2 feet of a receptacle. The only exception are countertops shorter than 12 inches (the one on the extreme left MIGHT meet that, but I'd still put one there anyhow). There are a variety of decorative receptacles that can fit nicely in your backsplash. Another option is to mount them high (you can go 20" above the countertop right under the cabinets, the legrand adorne line might be interesting to you). The tricky ones may be under your double window if you need to put one there. I've got some turned sideways to fit under basements in my kitchen. The island technically only needs one receptacle. Unless you want tombstones sticking up, you'll have to mount them below the countertop. Code allows the required one to be no more than 6" below the top and under no further than a 12" overhang. Mounting them to the ends of your design should not be hard and compliant. You might consider an additional one down low in the foot well on the "eating" side. My island in my former place had one down there, and while it doesn't meet the rule for the required outlet, it's allowed as an added one and was convenient at times....See MoreLarge 10' x 5' Kitchen Island needs help with outlets!
Comments (22)We do outlets all the time in island. Usually you have a decorative side panel on the island ( 3 /4 thick plus the cabinet box is 3/4 thick = 1 1/2" ) A shallow electrical box is about 1 1/4" so no additional columns are needed. Is a shallow box not allowed anymore?? Can you do something like this?? You can also shorten the cabinets by 3" or 1 1/2" and add a base end panel to create a channel and space for the outlet. We have been able to do outlets under the seating overhang but they had to be vertical and as close to the front edge of the cabinet as possible. Do you really need 4? I do not know how that is calculated - sorry. Please post the resolve to all of this - it will be very helpful to others. I also agree with moving the prep sink - either switch it with the microwave or put it to the left of the stove. I have several customers we've done that for and they love having a totally clear island and the convenience of a sink right by the stove. Good luck! Post pics when done!...See MorePls help with large, carpeted, dated, combined living/dining room.
Comments (16)I agree with measuring well, and I also agree that a 3-seater sofa and two chairs would be your best option. When you move, you would be able to most likely use both in a new place, or you would perhaps be able to either use the sofa or the chairs. And it gives you the most flexibility with options for furniture placement. Also, since you would like to use the space for tv watching and entertaining with family and friends, the sofa and 2 chairs would be the best fit, I think. I would keep it simple. I would not paint. I would also switch what you are planning - and I would instead use the space in front of fireplace for the dining area. If you’d like, you could bring in some rugs for more definition; and you could do a swag plug-in chandelier in dining area. I don’t know your style, so these are just some general ideas/views. But if you like any of the items i’ve used, I do have links for them :) Another chandelier: Below, a view with swag plug-in chandelier in dining area. They come in a variety of styles, this is just one: . Below, with rug to define living room:. And I would put the tv to the left of the fireplace - by that wall/window - on a floating/mobile tv stand/cart/console with wheels. That way, the tv can be seen from dining area, but can also be swung around to view from the living room area. It gives you the most flexibility for tv placement in this arrangement; and I see that there is an outlet right there, below that window. I would place the sofa on the long, window-free wall that faces the dining area and windows. And maybe a plant on right side of fireplace, and some art or a mirror over fireplace....See Moreacm
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