The just introduced link item might suit. No doubt it will be somewhat pricey.

Here is a link that might be useful: ventahood ars

Most European families live with 24 inch ovens and refrigerators without any problems. For example, in Miele ovens, you slide the baking tray on the rack holder on the side, so the oven interior is only as wide as the baking tray. What about 24 inch cooktop and Miele/Gagg oven?

That Subzero model has minimal vegie crisper. Go check it out. I think 24 inch Liebherr interior is better organized. I think they even fit American gallon milks. Our German relatives use them very easily for their families. Better crisper arrangement than Subzero, IMHO.

Even in Europe, I rarely see 18 inch DWs. Only in the tiniest apartments.... (When we are in Europe, we visit families and we often rent other people's apartment to stay, so I see what is in their kitchen.) Can yo squeeze standard size DW? I am wondering if you can get 1 meals worth of dishes in the DWs. These DWs take 2 hours to run! So you don't have the options of running mulitple loads each evening.

I have the Subzero 700 series and the drawer is pretty small; other than that its fine, but I would check out the Liebherr. That option was not available to me.

I have the 18" Miele and it fits a ton of dishes, but it fills rapidly enough that we feel ok running it frequently. I have single and couple friends with a 24" DW and they get into a vicious cycle of not running it until its full, letting things sit until its hardened on, til it smells, not having some clean items available because they are sitting in the dirty batch in the DW, etc. I think I would probably consider an 18" again (or drawers), even if I had the room for a full sized DW, based upon my own experience with one. I would Not get a cheap american 18" though...then I would go for a 24".

Mizrachi - I'm going through the same process on my NYC apartment and we seem to be looking at many of the same appliances (of course!). I think I will end up going with the slightly smaller Blomberg 1150. I really want the Liebherr, but I don't know that I can justify the $1K jump in price for a few more cubic feet. They really are gorgeous though.

Dishwashers - Of your choices, I would go with the Miele. Have you seen the GE Profile? It is also quite nice and something to consider.

Ranges - for me, this was the hardest choice. Like you, I would much prefer a larger oven. American Range and Blue Star have the largest ovens in the 24" range category, but I worry about the heat produced from the professional ranges without venting to the outside. I've pretty much decided on the Berta, because I read quite a few negative reviews on Smeg and F&P. One other consideration for F&P is that they've had a lot of financial problems of late and many have questioned whether they will stay in business. So, you might want to factor in how you would be able to handle potential repair issues if they went out of business.

Good luck!

Thank you all for your responses.

The good news is I feel comfortable moving forward with the Blomberg 27" refrigerator.

The Miele dishwasher also looks good, but so does the GE Profile. Not sure the Miele is $500 "better" than the GE. I'll have to do some further research.

But what about a 24" cooktop and 24" wall oven instead of a 24" range?

Since the whole point of our kitchen renovation is to allow for a better functioning and roomier workspace, I'm thinking that the cooktop will keep the counters a seamless expanse, and the built-in oven will do the same for the cabinetry and we'll have avoided installing a bulky range. We will lose some space in the oven and I am not sure how easy it is to convert the electricity to handle the oven. Does anyone have any experience here? Aside from the space, are there any other advantages or disadvantages in using a gas cooktop/electric oven? Lastly, would it look odd if the cooktop was 24" while the wall oven beneath it were 27" or 30"?

Look at Rococogurl's kitchen. I believe she has both a Liebherr and Bertazzoni range. She might also have some information about venting as it appears there is none above her range. Good luck.

Here is a link that might be useful: Rococogurl's kitchen

This sink looks like it really makes good use of space. (I think it can be found online for much less than the MSRP, by the way.)

Here is a link that might be useful: Kohler stages sink

I am also in the process of doing a tiny NYC kitchen, so here are my comments:

Range: I decided to go with the 24" viking with an over the range microwave above it. No one has said anything to me about a problem with venting it. I made the decision to go with the viking purely for resale value. I don't really cook all that often (as many people in NYC) so I wanted a nice-looking stove that fit into a 24" spot. I decided against separate cooktops and range units, because that would require re-wiring the kitchen for ~$1K, which I figured was somewhat of a lost expense. When you go to sell your place, the potential buyers will look at the kitchen for what's visible, not what's in the wall, so the $1K wiring expense is going to go unnoticed, and the viking will call out to a buyer as "luxury." I briefly considered the FP range but had trouble with their customer service in just trying to figure out what their clearance requirements were to the wall, and then gave up since the difference wasn't that great in price vs. the viking.

Fridge: I went with the Subzero fridge for a similar reason. The other brands weren't enough cheaper than the SZ to make it worthwhile. I have also had a SZ in my rental apartment and really just LOVE it. It really does a tremendous job of keeping food fresh for longer than any other fridge I have had.

Dishwasher: I went with the 18" miele dishwasher. I honestly would have been happy with the 18" bosch, but the miele is the only one that fits a full height panel so that it lines up with the rest of the cabinets. I have an older version of the miele where I'm renting and don't love it, but I'm hoping some of their new features will make it better.

In maximizing counter space, I did get an undermount sink, and a smaller than usual under-sink cabinet (27").

I also made sure to fit in an ez-reach corner cabinet in the kitchen to maximize storage space for a small L shaped kitchen.

Hope that's helpful!

Thank you all for such helpful suggestions.

What a lovely kitchen, Rococogurl. I hope ours turns out just as nicely.

The electrical upgrade needed in order to install an electric oven is too great an expense for us. I think we're forced to go with a 24" range. I'm still unsure whether the Bertazzoni or the Fisher Paykel or the Smeg is the right choice. Any help here would be appreciated.

jenn0123, I am curious where you were able to find a 24" Viking at a similar price point to the 24" F&P. Online it looks like the Viking is more than twice the price of the F&P.

I re-checked AJ Madison (which is where I got the best prices on everything from, as well as super nice customer service), and I'm apparently slightly delusional.

I had been looking at the FP and then couldn't for the life of me get anyone at FP (or any appliance retailer) to tell me with any certainty that I could have their 24" range 6" away from a wall, and with standard 18" above the countertop cabinets on either side, so I gave up. I had been willing to go through the motions to try and get the FP dual-fuel so that I could get the oven to self-clean, but that is the unit that was $1700+$1K of wiring costs, and then I decided it wasn't worth it to have instead of the viking which was $3500 and had much more cache than an FP. I guess for me, the largest cost of my renovation was "labor" costs, so I didn't think it was worth to cheap-out on the things that I put into the apartment since that's all that I will have to show for it in the end. If i'm paying 2x stuff for the contractor - why pay the contractor that much to put in cheap appliances? Then when someone looks at your apartment later, all they see is cheap appliances and not the expensive labor.

I guess that was a long way of saying that while $2K difference in the oven isn't small, it wasn't giant in the scheme of the renovation, and because of my kitchen layout, the stove is the focal point of my kitchen, so I stuck with the Viking.

Also, when I was asking around before I got the Viking... ppl seemed to not be convinced with the quality of the FP. I did get good feedback on the quality berta and bluestar, but then was told "you won't find those in a times ad" and went the cliche route...

Have you looked at the Fagor 24" convection wall oven? My appliances won't be installed in my new house until the end of summer, but that is what I'm going with. What reviews I could find were great.

I don't have a small kitchen, but got it as a smaller second oven.

Hi. My galley kitchen is a whopping 7 feet wide and 8 feet deep, so I know the challenge of tiny urban kitchens. I have the 24" Bertazzoni gas range and it fits flush between a cabinet and my 18" dishwasher (GE) with no problem at all. In my building, I didn't have the option for venting outside. I did install (or more accurately,had installed) two heat shields on the outside edges of the cabinet and DW flanking the Berta. I also purchased the 24" Fagor refrigerator. I love both Berta and Fagor. I know my kitchen is in the FKB, but I don't have a link.

I don't know any other ovens [except the pricey Gaggenau] with a side-opening door

Found another! The Fagor (say "fay-gore") 5HA-200LX and 5HA-200RX, which sell for a much far more reasonable $850, and include "real" convection (with heated fan), fast preheat in half of usual warmup time, lots of shelf postions; available ball-bearing full-rollout shelves, the same svelte dimensions that allow a 6" drawer above the oven and below the cooktop, and looks pretty nice. Save for an available rotisserie, these look like they can do everything the vaunted Gaggenau ovens can do for less than half their price.

Fagor, which has alot of U.S. online dealers but few brick-and-mortar stores, have alot of neat and distinctive appliance offerings, including a 27" 3-burner cooktop (3 large, roomy burners are way better than trying to cram the usual 4 burners into a small space, since all four rarely get used at once in the small homes these get installed in), narrow/shallow but tall refrigerators for making the most out of a 24"w, 24"d space, lots of induction cooktops, and gas cooktops in hard-to-find sizes. Let's not overlook their 240 VOLT 7kg/15½ lb. washer/dryer combo that can wash and dry your clothes in one shot, without the long wait required by competitors' 120v machines whose feeble heating elements take a long time to heat the water and then even longer drying the clothes (LG: please take notice - your 120v washer/dryers can take over 4 hours to complete a load). Did I mention they can heat the wash water from cold to 195°F using its 2200w internal heater? I hope they land some store deals to increase their visibility in the U.S. - if Sears can sell Dacor, why not Best Buy selling Fagor? They look good online and in specs, but I'd like to see them in person.

Did you ever pick a 24" range? I went to Gringer on Saturday in search of a stove and they recommended the Bertazzoni, the Smeg and the Fisher Paykel. There are complaints on the internet about the thermostat on the Bertazzoni; can't find out much about the other two. Would be curious to hear which one you went with.