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Figuring out what is 'Fair'

john_g
17 years ago

How many times have we seen someone ask about whether a price for some type of auto repair was fair or not?

A 97 Ford Probe was sent to me by the local Ford Dealer. Some of you may know that I am an Electronics/Diagnostics/Emission Control specialist, some of you may not have known that. The Ford dealer isn't the only one that sends me certain cars with problems that go beyond what one would consider a normal failure. Many of the things I have to deal with I have never seen before, and I won't ever see twice. This Probe is a classic example.

It had two trouble codes set, a P0400, EGR system no flow, and a P1410 EGR boost sensor, solenoid problem. The second code is not even listed under the Ford service information. This car has been to four shops before it went to the dealer. It has a new EGR valve, and a new EGR valve position sensor already on it from somewhere else. The rest of the story is that it lost the engine, and the "relatives" that fixed it for him got and installed a 95 engine in this 97 Probe. The computer controls are all supposed to have stayed with the car, so in theory it should have been an easy swap. The first order of business for me was to confirm the codes setting, which I did quite easily. Ford's diagnostic strategies include automated testing that is performed by the onboard computer, as commanded by the scan tool. These tests are performed KOEO (Key On Engine Off) and KOER (Key On Engine Running). During the engine running test, I manually monitor the affected system with an ocilliscope on the solenoids being commanded, the EGR position sensor, and with vacuum gages hooked up in various ways to gain a complete understanding of exactly how the system is controlled, in this case the EGR system, and to see how the computer tests the system which will help me diagnose any faults. BTW this is a strategy that Ford started back in the early '80s and has perfected through the years. No other manufacturer gives a technician this capability, although you will find it on some of the crossover vehicles such as a few of the Mazda's and the Nissan Quest.

Anyway, after about an hour testing the system, and not determining why this car is condeming the EGR system, because it worked just fine. I stopped the diagnostics and proceeded onto other issues both with this car, as well as with other cars in the shop that needed attention. The owner stopped by and I told him I was going to have to do some research tonight because some of the scan information didn't make sense.

Well, I have read enough. I fully expect I know exactly what is wrong with the car. During the engine replacement, who ever did it has accidently missinstalled the EGR Boost solenoid connector with the Fuel Pressure Regulator solenoid connector. The clue was in the Mazda service information, and using it, I was then able to find it in the Ford service information. I probabaly spent a little over an hour reading tonight before I found that. It's so simple it's stupid, but that's the way it goes some times. So here is the dilemma. I have a little over an hour's time in the shop invested. I have a little over an hour here at home studying this system and looking for every scrap of information I could find when I found that. The scan tool that I use for diagnosing this car is almost exclusively only found at the dealership, it just so happens that I have stepped up to the plate and invested the money in the best tools and equipment available so that I can be at my very best all of the time. That's an expense of close to $40,000 in just scan tools and software to support the different cars that I work on that NONE of my competetors are spending.

How do I charge enough to be fair to me for doing all of this, and still be seen as being fair to my customer, when tomorrow I'm going to simply switch two connectors, because they are plugged onto the wrong solenoids?

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