NEW: Incredible Edibles (Jan.) - Winter Sowing

15 years ago

This is the January Swap which will be for seeds - hopefully seeds for edibles that are appropriate for winter sowing. I am posting it early so you can think about it during this busy holiday season.

A little over two years ago I had no idea what winter sowing was and then when I found out what it is, I thought, "No way that will work" - but it does!

Just post here if you want to join in on the swap. Do so with a commitment to following through!

I am listing some sites you can go to and read more about winter sowing.

GardenWeb has a winter sowing board: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/wtrsow/

and Winter Sown.org gives lots of information - take a look at the FAQ section for specifics about zones and types of plants:

http://wintersown.org/

You will find lots of enthusiatic winter sowers to cheer you on!

The theory behind winter sowing is that the seeds germinate at the time that is right for them and then they grow under some pretty unpredictable weather conditions. All of this results in so tough little plants - not a lot of pampering required for these seedlings. Most herbs do well with winter sowing and some other edibles, too. I have even winter sown tomatoes - the variety was Purple Cherokee Tomatoes and they were winter sown on March 9!

You basically plant the seeds in a container that allows sunlight to reach the seeds and some moisture to go in (which can be from rain or snow) and some moisture to flow out as well as allowing for air to reach the plants. It's sort of a mini-greenhouse and it allows you to recycle things like milk jugs or deli/bakery trays that you will use for the sowing. When the seedlings get large enough and the weather is cooperating, the plants are ready to put in the ground or in the type of container you use throughout the Spring and Summer.

So, here are the specifics.

Sign up by December 16.

I will match partners shortly after Dec. 16 and then you and your partner will exchange mailing information with each other through e-mail.

Mail your seeds by Jan. 10.

Along with your seeds, send a gardening thought, tip, or verse to wish your seed swapping pal a Happy New Year!

Post when you receive and then you can let us know what you will be winter sowing from your new seeds!

Seeds must be "edibles" - vegetables, fruits, edible herbs, etc.

Send either two new full packets of seeds or the comparable number from "not quite full" packets which can be things you harvested from your garden, received in trade, or used some of and no longer have the full packet. All seeds should be dated 2007 or 2008. ("Not full packets" might require you to send 4-6 packets in order to equal what what be in two new, full packets.)

I am keeping the required number of packets low because I think some people will be trying winter sowing for the first time and you may not want to plant 50 containers when you first try this. I admit, during the winter of 2007-2008, I planted over 100 containers (herbs, vegetables, flowers, and other types of plants.) It's sort of addicting and it allows you to get started on gardening way before traditional planting.

I pulled a few of the seeds named as appropriate for winter sowing from the Wintersown.org site to give you some ideas.

Vegetables

Allium family (onions, shallots, garlic, chives)

Beans

Beets

Brassica family (cabbage, broccoli, kale, collards, etc)

Carrots

Swiss Chards

Corn (select an "early" type as it can germinate at lower temps)

Curcubit family (cukes, squash, pumpkins, melons, gourds)

Lettuce

Nightshade family (eggplant, tomatoes, peppers)

Peas

Radishes

Spinach

Herbs

Chamomile

Fennel

English Lavender

Common Horehound

Lemon Balm

Mentha - Mint (Spearmint, Peppermint, etc.)

Bee Balm

Oregano

Salad Burnet

Thyme

I will be happy to answer questions as they come up so I hope you will want to join in and winter sow once again or for the first time!!!

Here are some of my winter sown "babies" from the winter of 2007-2008 to give you some incentive. Aren't they pretty?

Happy Holidays!

Jeanne

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ncgardengirl
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
yes Bonnie THAT is an AWESOME LIST!!! Woohooo, it's great to get things you really want huh?
Bet those Red Noodles will look great next year. Very cool indeed!

:) Fran
booberry85
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
That is great loot!
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southerncharm1
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I got my seeds from my swap partner Kim (plant_one_on_me)
Saturday. :)

Scarlet runner beans
Lemon Bee Balm
Marjoram
Hyssop Blue
Echinacea
Italian Market Wonder Tomato
Opalka Tomato
Brads Black Heart Tomato
Cherokee Purple Tomato

:) Very pleased with these. Thanks so much Kim!!! :) Yours should be there in a few days.
plant-one-on-me
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Kathy, glad the seeds made it to you safe and sound. Kim
dirtdiggin
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Sorry booberry, I didn't list my loot either lol :oD

Bonnie sent me an awesome batch of herbs and tomatoes and one extra that I've really been wanting, so here goes....

Mediterranean Oregano
Rosemary
Sweet Marjoram
Creeping Thyme
Opalka Tomato
Kelloggs Breakfast Tomato

And....

Black Snapdragons

I'm so excited to WS. Thank you SOOOO much! I LOVE Herbs!!!I'm so looking forward to having little sprouts spring from the ground...I have Spring Fever!!! It's been difficult to catch DH before he throws the milk jugs and juice bottles in the recycle bin, but I've succeeded. Gotta get them cut and ready, so I can WS. So is it safe yet to WS or should I wait a while...and how long if I need to wait? We're right in the midst of our coldest time, but we don't very often get down to freezing weather. We've had a pretty bad last few weeks with snow, which we NEVER (famous last words) get, but it's pretty much been a mild - medium frost.

We just received word yesterday that we have permission to put in a HUGE community garden and I have about 6 volunteers, so far, to help set it all up and maintain it. There is an area in amongst the deer infested...err inhabited island that has about a 15 foot high fence and probably 40' x 80' and was originally used for a community garden. Hasn't been used for years, so it will be a wonderful opportunity to sow the abundance of seeds that I've been acquiring and help to teach others as well as enable our friends and neighbors to enjoy fresh fruits and vegetables. YEAH!!!! We'll finally have room for those gigantic Atlantic Pumpkins this year!!! Ohhh and all the hubbards I've collected seed for and other winter squash. I can't wait :)
bonechickchris
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Do anyone know when I can start winter sowing? I live IN New Jersey, slightly inland from the shore, and am between 6b and 7a. Do I have to wait a bit, or can I start now?This is my first time winter sowing, so I do not want to mess it up!

I know I should first start the early spring crops, like lettuces, broccoli, cauli, herbs, chard, type veggies. Is it ever too early to start sowing or does it not matter? I am really itching to plant something!

I have this awesome container I found that used to hold bags of prezels from my mom, it is a big clear container, but it is like 2 or 3 gallons big and nice and tall! SO I am sure that will be a great container to start with!

BTW, Becky, your seeds are all packed up and ready to go! They will be going out in Monday's Mail! Christy
sandlapper_rose
Original Author
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Christy,
Here is a web page on Winter Sowing that should help you.
http://wintersown.org/wseo1/WS_Database_Z6.html
You will think it is all flowers, but as you scroll down you will see dates for herbs and vegetables. For example, you will see some reported tomatoes winter sown in Jan., Feb. and Mar. Same with broccoli and lettuce. The chart is just a guide and is not complete - I believe it's based on what is reported to the winter sowing group. I hope that is of some help. Anyone in a different zone, just look for the section relating to your zone. Another option is to post on the winter sowing section of GardenWeb and ask. I tend to be able to sow pretty early here but have not started yet. I will in a week or so.
Anyway, I'm sure you helped some others by asking that question!
To those who joined in on this swap, good job on getting your seeds mailed! Thanks for posting what you received, too. I will post a status report soon of who has sent and who has received.
Jeanne
ejmoore510
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Hi all!
Hopefully now that the Holidays are over, I can check in more regularly. I've sent Angela another email. I hate to be so much bother to her. For some reason, I'm still not receiving her emails. Hope all here are well. Anybody here ordered from Totally Tomatoes before? Waiting on an order I placed a couple of weeks ago with them to come in.

Joan
bonechickchris
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Ahhh, just what I needed! Thanks Jeanne!
I have one more question, if you do not mind, I promise not too be too much a pain, but I know you guys better here that at the WS forum so I thought i would ask you guys first.

This is just an example, and I am making this all up, it is not a trial!

Ok, Lets say I am winter sowing a tomato. So I winter sow this in lets say, February, and it does not germinate until April. ok
So then I do a tomato the way I always do, started indoors, and I plant it the end of February, and of course that will germinate right away, end of Feb/ beggining of March.

Now the question, the tomato started inside starts earlier, while the winter sown tomato does not germinate until a month or more later than the indoor started one.
Yet, I know that the winter sown one will be a stronger, tougher than the tomato started indoors.

So, do they wind up catching up with each other? Or does the winter sown one, even thought it germinated later, winds up being the best tomato plant?

Hope that I made sence. I promise I will go and study more on WS instead of asking questions all the time! Christy
carolynp
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Jeanne sent me some Dill, some Curly Chervil some purple cherokee tomatoes, some perpetual swiss chard, and some oregano seeds! I couldn't be more excited! The coolest thing she sent me though, was a list of garden sayings. My favorite is "Gardens are a form of autobiography." So killer!! Thanks again Jeanne.
booberry85
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I'm so happy and excited for everyone! It sounds like people are getting great stuff.
ejmoore510
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
YEAH!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY, I got Angela's email. Hmmmm!!!
Now what do I need to add to that box? :)

Joan
yotetrapper
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Box?? Now dont be sending me too much here Joan, I thought we were just swapping seed packets?? Am I missing something here?
sandlapper_rose
Original Author
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Joan, I'm glad you now have the address for Angela --- and Angela is right "no box" - just a few packets of seeds and some garden sayings or advice to start out the new year.
Well, I'll stop back in later. Have to leave now to get some work done on my car. Sure hope it gets done pretty fast. That is the most boring thing sitting there waiting while you car gets worked on!
Jeanne
kamiljablo
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Hey Toni!
I got your seeds thanks!!!
booberry85
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I think Christy's motto needs to be, "Why do when you can overdo!" LOL! I received my seeds from Christy today and I got a huge bonanza of seeds. HUGE!! Christy and I both have a problem sticking to limits.

Are you ready?
Here's the list of seeds I received.

Four Seasons lettuce
Burpee's Looseleaf Lettuce Mix
Swiss Chard No ID
Bright Lights Swiss Chard
Flamingo Pick Swiss Chard
Fordhook Giant Swiss Chard
Red Russian Kale
Blue Dynasty Cabbage
Early Golden Acre Cabbage
Waltham29 Broccoli
Calabrese Broccoli
George's Favorite Blend Broccoli
Purple Sprouting Broccoli
Cauliflower Brocoverde
Purple of Sicily Cauliflower
Strawberry Spinach
Giant Noble Spinach
Bloomsdale Long Standing Spinach

I had mentioned to Christy that I was planning on stuffing Swiss Chard in any spare space I had in the garden this coming year. I really enjoyed growing it last year. I also wanted to try winter sowing spinach since I hadn't had much luck growing it the "regular" way. DH also loves broccoli!

Thanks so much Christy! You outdid yourself again!
highalttransplant
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Wow, Booberry! I hope you have a LOT of wintersowing containers ready, LOL!!!

Nice haul!

Bonnie
dirtdiggin
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Thanks so much for the link to the WS Zone database. That helps so much! I have a couple of items I can start this month...then I get to wait (sigh) 'til February & March. But I at least get to start :)
sandlapper_rose
Original Author
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
You are welcome for the link to the information by zones.

Booberry85, I love the motto you created! LOL

Christy, as for the question about the winter sown plant and the one started inside (and I knew exactly what you were asking), from what I have read the winter sown plant will catch up with the one from inside. My problem has always been that the one inside does not survive. Either the move to outdoors or being too wet or some fungus disease or something does it in first. Even if the plant made it, it was always very legggy! I love winter sowing because I don't have to face any of those issues. However, I know that some people have good luck starting seeds indoors; I just never did.

Anyway, here is what I have checked off in terms of people having received seeds. If I missed you, let me know.

sandlapper_rose carolynp
Both have received.

spookycharles chitownladyd

southerncharm1 plant_one_on_me
southerncharm1 has received.

ejmoore510 yotetrapper

luvgardening2 plantman50

booberry 85 bonechikchris
booberry85 has received.

jessaw kamiljablo
kamiljablo has received.

ncgardengirl lysa39
(Have you two been able to get in touch?)

andreaz6wv lindaruzicka

dirtdiggin highalttransplant
Both have received.

Jeanne
ncgardengirl
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Hey Jeanne, no no one has heard from Lysa. I really hope everything is ok with her and it isn't anything major wrong.

I wish she had a way to let someone know she is ok. Concerned at this point about her, it has been a while since she posted anywhere.

Hey all!!!
:) Fran
sandlapper_rose
Original Author
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
The mail out date for this swap is Jan. 10 and since Fran has not heard from Lysa, Fran and I are going to try to arrange a trade between the two of us so she will not be left out of the swap.
Lysa, we all hope you are okay. If you read this in the next few days, I guess at this point we are all thinking you will not be available to swap by the 10th. Jump up and down and wave your hands high so we can see you if you are back online. (Saying that with a smile!)
Jeanne
luvgardening2
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
It slipped my mind. Been way too busy sowing seeds. My partner (James) and I have already exchanged packages. I received from him:

Salad Greens
Great Lakes Lettuce
Tomato~ Delicious
Dill
Holy Basil
Asparagus
Cowpeas

I have my containers filled and I plan on sowing them today. Thanks again! The package smelled heavenly. I think it was the dill seeds. YUM!

Nancy
kamiljablo
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Okay Beth I Got your seeds! Thanks so much! Sorry i forgot to include a verse....U should be getting the seeds soon!

Kamil
Ps: I got:
Lettuce Prizehead
Heirloom Cantalope
Chives
Dill

Thanks!
bonechickchris
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Ok, first letting you all know that me and Becky have a serious "Seed Trader's Addiction', I will now continue~

I got from BEcky an Awesome Loot!

Purple Beauty Peppers
Chocolate Peppers
White Malabar Spinach
Green Goliah Broccoli
Little MArvel Peas
Cilantro
Early White and Purple Kohlrabi Mix
Purple Tomatillo
Endive
Space Master Cukes
Oregano
Calendula
Grananda Lettuce
HillBilly Tomato
PoonKeera Cukes
a bunny for my lakeside critter collection
a notepad, some cider mixes, an d plant labels!

I hope I did not miss anything! Thanks again Becky for being the perfect enabler for my addiction! hehe! Christy
andreaz6wv
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Thank you Linda. I rec'd you envelope.

Linda sent a beautiful poem she wrote with the seeds. I hate to say I didn't get yours out until today. Sorry...

Happy Wintersowing Everyone!
Andrea
chitownladyd
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Mea culpa, mea culpa, I've been waaayyy too busy and have been remiss in following through, but just to let everyone know I'm not a "deadbeat trader" LOL

spookycharles where are you? Ready to trade. I will try to get in touch so that we can get the goodies out by the deadline.

La Donna
jessewo
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Hey kamiljablo-got the seeds-what a great assortment! Love the hostas (I have a little woodland garden that always has space for more!) and the squash asst! Thanks so much!

jessew
sandlapper_rose
Original Author
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I am updating on those who were not listed as having received. Now I have:

spookycharles chitownladyd

southerncharm1 plant_one_on_me
southerncharm1 has received.

ejmoore510 yotetrapper

luvgardening2 plantman50
Both have received.

booberry 85 bonechikchris
Both have received.

jessaw kamiljablo
Both have received.

ncgardengirl lysa39
As far as I know, no word from lysa39. I have offered to trade with Fran if she wants to trade. If not, that is okay, too. It is up to her.

andreaz6wv lindaruzicka
andreaz6wv has received.

If you have received but have not posted, please let us know so the list will be correct.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend!
Jeanne
plant-one-on-me
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I am waiting excitedly for mine to arrive...I almost felt silly today pushing past dh looking for my package...almost. I'll let you know when it arrives and what I get. Kim
ejmoore510
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Ok, I've been sick so I'm a little late but my seeds went out today. Conf# 0308 2690 0000 4005 0812
"looking innocently up at the sky" I MIGHT have put a couple of little "happys" in to help my partner make it till Spring. Hopefully, she'll forgive me. :)

Joan
ncgardengirl
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Joan, does little 'happys' mean you sent some of those mini liquors? HEHE, I couldn't resist. Sometimes those wouldn't be a bad idea...lol.
Glad you are feeling better and able to post again.

:) Fran
booberry85
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
La Donna, did your partner ever get in tough with you?
andreaz6wv
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Hi,

Just checking in to see what's going on. Linda, I hope you get my stuff today. I seen that Joan posted a DC # and I didn't do that.. I sent it out Thursday.

Take care,
Andrea
lindaruzicka
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Okay Andrea, I'll keep an eye out. It's so cold here right now! I think the high is going to be 9 and it's going down to 2 tonight...maybe I'll do some more seed catalog dreaming and winter sowing planning...."putting more wood on the fire and curling up my feet"
yotetrapper
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Ok, my partner and I were a little late on this, but I, like her, mailed yesterday. I feel bad cos all I sent was seeds and now I know she sent me something besides seeds.

Linda, you're lucky! We got about 6 inches of snow today, and the low tonight is minus 14 actual temp. Tomorrow's HIGH is only negative 2. And no, I dont like in Alaska or Minnesota, I'm way down here in west central Illinois.

brrrrr.
lindaruzicka
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
"handing yotetrapper a cup of tea with a shot of Bailey's"..here I think you need this more than me...."L"
booberry85
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Feeling your pain, yotetrapper. We're experiencing the same thing. High of 7 degrees today. High tomorrow of 4, with a low of -15. The weatherman thinks that might be a generous estimate!

-15 isn't a temperature! It's how much weight you lose on a diet! Just to add insult to injury, we're suppose to get more snow. We've had around 100 inches so far this season.
sandlapper_rose
Original Author
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Still checking in to see the status of those who have mailed and those who have received. Thanks for continuing to post.
Wow, those are some cold temperatures. Try to stay warm, everyone!
Jeanne
lindaruzicka
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
okay, that's it..."putting on BIG POT of tea water"...hot tea and Bailey's for everyone!!!
lindaruzicka
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I received my seeds from Andrea today! What a haul..I'll be busy that's for sure:
I received:
cherry tomatoes
sweet basil (2)
dill
early jersey cabbage
purple top turnips
a cute little winter sowing container with a lovely garden verse attached.
Thanks so much Andrea!
southerncharm1
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Bailey's Irish Creme??? lol If so, that's some good stuff. :D
sandlapper_rose
Original Author
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I'm going to start a new heading. We may need it to complete this swap. Stay warm, everyone. I planted five more winter sowing containers today. So far I have planted:
Poppy, Danish Flag
Poppy, Lauren Grape
Bells of Ireland
Sweet Peas - two types
Nasturtum
Snapdragons
Thyme
Lettuce
Curly Chervil
Larksput
Parsley
Dill

I am thinking it may be two weeks before I see any sprouts. Finally cold weather is arriving. We had a very warm December.

Jeanne
lindaruzicka
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
actually Bailey's Irish Cream in tea is quite good..."smacking lips"
plant-one-on-me
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I am overwhelmed at the generous package Kathy-southerncharm1 has sent me. My granddaughter Jordan got to open the package and ohhh and ahhhh'd at each type of seed. We will be eating GOOD this year! Thanks Kathy.

I received:
courgette zucchini, summer ball
piccolo di parigi, gherkin
purple top turnip
sweet corn, early and often
turnip, seven top
beet, cylindra
swiss chard
rutger's tomato
cucumber, sumter
sweet corn, sugar dots

Jordan and I planted some of the turnips and beets to eat as fresh greens now and some more were winter sowed for spring. Thanks again Kathy, Kim
highalttransplant
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Wow! I just received my prize pack from Southerncharm1. It has a postmarked date of 12/29/08. I wonder where that thing has been for almost three weeks!!!

Anyway, thank you so much, Kathy! I was expecting A packet of seeds, so was very surprised. They are all things that I haven't tried before, so I'm excited about them.

Thanks again!
Bonnie
ncgardengirl
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Well, I mixed up another batch of mix last night to get ready to WS some more containers.
I have 5 5qt ice cream pails man what I wouldn't do for some more of those.
Some milk jugs whole and 1/2 gal
Some soda bottles 2L and a few 3L and some 20 oz, although I am not sure I want to start seeds in those might just use them to pot up some things for a plant swap I am planning to hold in April or May.

I got my mix sopping wet so I am gonna let it dry out a while before using it because I am gonna do some sowing inside before transfering them outside and I don't want to get water all over the house/floor.

:) Fran
yotetrapper
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I recieved my package from Joan the other day and boy did she outdo herself. I recieved tons of seeds, beets, spinach, peas "Alaska", round zuchinni (so cute!), echinacea, rudbeckia, delhinium, a lovely cucumber melon soy candle, a pretty picture frame, a dish towel, plant labels, seed bags... all kinds of stuff!

Thanks so much Joan, and I'll be sending out your second package on Tuesday.
southerncharm1
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Bonnie, I am forever having problems with the PO delivery. A couple months ago I was waiting on seed order for Christy and I kid you not it took almost a month to get here. I was a nervous wreck waiting!!! lol She was very patient with me though. :D Sometimes the things I send take 2 days and then others just arrive whenever they feel like it. It's totally crazy! I've heard that a LOT of packages get lost in Atlanta, so I'm wondering if my stuff has to go through there in the process...

Jeanne, this was an awesome swap! Thank you so very much for hosting it and all the helpful info on Winter Sowing!!! :D
booberry85
15 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
You know Kathy, now that you say that, it takes me less time to ship to California, than it does to Louisiana, Georgia, and Florida. I wonder if Atlanta is a hub for packages being sent to the South?
lysa39
11 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I just got well and did not remember i was signed up for this. Iam sorry. I had surgery and was on loopy drugs. Is it to late to do this trade???
Sorry lysa39
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