why wouldn't open pollenated rose seeds be good?
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Comments (8)Thanks to all. The greenhouse is a godsend. I had the area for the foxgloves ready, so slipped them in the ground, then put the butterfly weed and hummingbird mint in pots in the greenhouse. I'll leave them there at least until next week. Rita, you are right, the daylilys can stay soaking. I'll deal with the next order when in comes, and plant the rest of this next week. Of course, you know this is all my own fault. I stayed up working in the garden for several hours when I got off yesterday morning. I should have gone to bed at 10:00 AM, not 3:00 PM. I overdid it and I am paying now. Rats! kay...See MoreOpen pollenated Sungold?
Comments (22)Just curious: Why is the Sungold so hard to dehybridize? I don't know much about the process, but I thought that while it can sometimes take growing dozens of plants over as many as eight generations, it is possible to create a stable OP version of pretty much everything ***** Ask yourself this. How many OP versions of well known current hybrids have you see done ? Not many. Perhaps Sungold is the only one. Hybrids bred back in the 40's and 50's had, most of the time, just two parents so it was not impossible to get a stable OP version , but that OP version was not necessarily the same as the F1 as regards taste, etc. There are about 400 organic molecules that have been IDed by mass spectroscopy that are associated with taste, so they say, and not one gene has been found that corresponds to any one molecule/ Modern hybrids can have up to 8 parental inputs, 4 in each of the two breeding lines of which the last OP selection in each line is crossed with the other one to make the F1 hybrid. Very complex. So no, I don't think it's possible to create a genetically stable OP of almost anything that mimics the orginal F1. I've seen OP versions of Big Boy and Better Boy offered and I was involved with doing an OP of the F1 Ramapo that turned out well, but all three of these had but two parental inputs into the F1. Carolyn...See MoreWhy does one rose's seeds sprout more than another?
Comments (5)Every variety is different. There are some roses that won't even set hips at all. Others are only good as pollen parent or seed parent but not both. It just depends. It might also be because the hip didn't ripen long enough and the seeds inside weren't quite mature. Some seed may have a thicker seed coat or there may be something inhibiting germination. There are a lot of variables involved. I have had seeds that didn't germinate for me until the second or third year that I had them. Sounds like you're doing pretty well with the ones you have already so just be patient....See MoreRoses You Wouldn't Buy Again
Comments (61)My climate in South Mississippi is dreadful all summer. Unbearably humid, and together with the heat, the waves of mosquitos make this place uninhabitable for 4 months every year. The best I can say for it is that we no longer are plagued with yellow fever. On the other hand, the Spring and Fall are beautiful. As we know, what does well for us depends on our climate. I have tried many of the Austins. As a rule they do poorly here -- often disease ridden and/or short lived. Some I think are just bad roses anywhere, and should never have been introduced if plant habit and foliage are important . I will not buy any more David Austin roses though there are three among the many I am happy with. The three exceptions to Austins in this climate that I am aware of are The Pilgrim, an early DA introduction, Graham Thomas, and Gertrude Jekyll . The latter is a rather spectacular achievement. It is virtually identical to the famous Comte de Chambord, a spectacular rose that unfortunately does poorly in my climate -- it's one I would not buy again. Unlike c . d C., Jekyll is healthy and vigorous here without spraying! I note that Jekyll responds to hard pruning. if you have had trouble with it, I would suggest cutting it back hard in late winter -- January here-- before giving up on it. I requires plenty of water in dry hot weather. It, like it's famous parent, bears vicious thorns and incredibly strong, classic rose fragrance . Why it should do so well in my climate , where many of the other Austins and c.d.C. do poorly, is a mystery to me. Another rose I would not buy again, besides the majority of the Austins, is the modern rose, The Fairy. It refuses to die though I have intentionally neglected it. I think it belongs up North. Even before I grew to hate it, it was a poor grower and sparse bloomer. In general Teas and China's are the roses to grow in this hellish climate. But there are many other roses, and a few modern roses too, especially Kordes, that do fine here....See Moreroseseek
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