I suspect it is just botrytis, and it can and does often affect the buds of geranium. The leaves are usually most affected if dead plant material falls on them....so yes you can get botrytic destruction of the buds without foliar involvement.

Pic of typical roses with thrips. I still think yours might have some thrips, but they have something else eatting them up and the leaves. No one is commenting on the bites in the leaves. The thrips damage is cosmetic on the petals of the roses. The rose I have, Moonstone, that the leaves looked like yours had several pests, one was thips when it bloomed. It also had rose slugs and sawflies. Other than that I couldn't find any other pest on it to account for the leaves looking like this. If your roses are young and this Bayer you got is the soil drench I'd look up the thread Redsox created and see her pics of how her young roses burned using it. I believe it killed the pests but it burned the roses. I think the foliar app is a safer app than the soil on young roses. If you do use it, make sure you water deeply first. One other thing that maybe totally unrelated and probably is, how early in the am do you water? The water needs to be evaporated off the roses by the time the sun is hot enough to burn the roses or the blooms can sunburn. I noticed the water on the leaves and you asked that.

Thank you very much for the advice .I do know that they are not pot plants but when i bought them they had already huge green shoots and it was too cold in the garden to leave them out .I live in United Kingdom Manchester which happen to be one of the most cold and wet areas of England .And it does rain a lot that is why i have to take out them if there is sun and get them in if it rains .Otherwise they will be flooded in a pod for sure .And yes i must admit i am very new to use fertilizer so i do not have yet clue which one for what aims is the best .Still learning tho i will try to save what i can and next year i will know what to do .Meanwhile my red lilium are outside i planted them yesterday unfortunately after that it started to rain and no sun so i do worry for them as well :(Weather here is not like in my country we have very cold winter and very warm spring and summer which is perfect for them .Here it can rain weeks and weeks . Just to add any kind of advices are welcome i spend ours to read the forums here and i do love them i learned a lot things for many of my plants .So i will able to care better for them .

Jennifer —-(Spraying with Neem Oil and or and other mixtures to eradicate the insects organically could still harm those beneficial insects. Some people will just let those pest stay on the tree because they dont want to harm them. Its a difficlt choice to make for some and you need to understand that some bad infestations that might get out of hand and could cause your trees to become weak and allow other diseses to slowly kill your tree. i always try and let Mother Nature work on the right balance of the pest verses the beneficial insets to keep everything in check. But sometimes i will have to step in and use more than organic to combact the problem. its up to you to decide what is best for your tree. Laura Even those that eat leaves ___ Katydids 🌺