Patty: I know when the Cuties come in but what I meant to say is I don't know when the Tango mandarins are ripe so I could sample Cuties and know I was getting Tangos. Melikeeatplants: It is a Mexican/Socialist lie that "We stole(states)"... The Mexican/American war was fought as a direct result of El Presidente Santa Anna ordering his General to attack and occupy Texas. We gave them every opportunity to stop the war and and negotiate a border treaty with Texas. They refused just like they had refused to do even since Texas's first defeat and capture of this same Santa Anna years earlier in the Texas War of Independence. The liberal left has rewritten the accounts of that entire era to make sound as we were the aggressor on poor mistreated Mexico. That is exactly what should have happened to a lawless nation that refuses to live in peace with its neighbors. Only they never even until this day quit making armed advances into Texas. And the water source of the Colorado R. and every drop that is in it falls on our soil. And it it is ours. Not so similarly the Rio grande gets water from two countries and we have to share it. And they refuse. And that is the best you can expect from Mexico. Actually after it flooded a lot in Mexico and Texas they wanted to pay us back when all the resivoirs were full and the water was flowing into the Gulf anyway. With friends like Mexico.. Larry

Afourer is the other name for the "W. Murcott"... not to be confused with the Murcott. They are both similar tasting and what here in California, I THINK, they're marketing as "Cuties" and other seedless type clementines (seedless when grown in the right situation). Anyway, someone here at GW warned me not to place the two in the same yard because of cross pollinations and seed. And when I researching it on Dr. Google, I got overwhelmed by all the agribusiness information... now I'm too confused. One of my nurseries says it needs a pollinator, and one of my local nurseries thinks Four Winds have made all their drwarfs self-fertile (not needing a pollinator), to make matters more confusing. Just wondering if anyone here knows about pollination and the Four Winds Dwarf Clementines. Thanks! Anyway, If you google pllination and clementine, a bunch of links to the California agribusiness websites talkinga bout how the W. Murcott and the Clementine are having trouble both being used here in this state.

I also read about the tolerant Sugar Belle Mandarin. However, I read about it on this site: https://phys.org/news/2017-05-greening-resistant-sugar-belle-mandarin-orange.html I generally like citrus hybrids that use tangelo in the cross.

Last week I found Shasta gold and sumos at Shoprite. Today I saw ruby tangos and golden nuggets in Walmart. The GNs didn’t look great, hard and pale. The ruby tangos looked beautiful, but they were expensive and I didn’t want to buy a whole box. I’m really impressed by how much variety there in mass market mandarains. So many more choices beyond cuties and halos. Still not as good as growing your own...