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looking for Kalanchoe daigremontiana-mother of millions

15 years ago

Hi everyone, I have recently fell in love with succulents.. does anyone have this plant and would be willing to send me a clipping.. I just love the looks of it.. I would really appreciate it.. thanks in advance..

Here is the link on ebay, but gosh I don't want to pay that much for it..

Diane from Iowa

Here is a link that might be useful: mother of millions

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senjanevada
15 years ago
Wow, it's beautiful.

I'll keep my eyes open and let you know when I got it.

Good luck.
User
15 years ago
Pls. do an image search to see the actual plant you're asking for: it is NOT the one in the picture, I'm sure of this having grown both. I ended up stuck w/ a green one just like in the pic shortly after 9/11. I didn't want it, neither did my boyfriend. I starved it of water & light for a very long time before it would die.

Both are considered very invasive & undesirable in some parts of the country. Pls. go to the exchange page if you can offer to swap something for it.
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I did some digging/research into this. I will not go into all the detail I read & hope that I can convey the info I learned without repeating everything. You can always go looking for yourself! =) First, it is a mistake for Kalanchoe daigremontiana to be called by the common name, Devil's Backbone. But, like many common names, more than one plant (that has just one botanical name-or reclassified, having a new name) can be known by the same common name. In addition, on the Internet, it only takes a few to start calling something by another name ~to make it so! It takes on a domino effect, snowballing, & then you can find it all over the web!! It doesn't mean it is correct. Devil's Backbone is the common name for Pedilanthus tithymaloides (aka Euphorbia tithymaloides). It got its name from having zigzag stems. Euphorbia are known for having a milky, latex sap which can be toxic should be handled with care. It seems there are many references to Kalanchoe daigremontiana as Devil's Backbone on the web (I somehow missed this reference early on in the post, Karen, but now I'm 'thinking w/you on this'). That little detail aside, I still assert that Kalanchoe does NOT have poisonous or toxic SAP. There have been many tests/experiments done (chicks were mentioned) over a number of years by various agencies (several in Australia). Yes, they have found that several Kalanchoe species contain toxic properties (cardiac glycoside-mentioned earlier, & bufadienolides). They have cited cattle/livestock deaths attributed to some of these Kalanchoe. Interesting to note that the most poisonous were the flowerheads (in descending order) of hybrid (Bryophyllum/Kalanchoe daigremontiana x K. tubiflora/delagoensis which I believe is now considered~) Kalanchoe x houghtonii, Kalanchoe pinnata & Kalanchoe tubiflora/delagoensis. The whole plant of Kalanchoe fedtschenkoi is toxic...all of these...IF EATEN...and you would have to eat QUITE A BIT (like cattle do while grazing). They found 20g wet wt per kg body wt would do the trick. Anyone care to translate that to measurements we use more often here in the U.S.? In chicks (2 wk-old Leghorns), they had to eat 12-18 mg per g. of body wt to be poisoned. Using the 1st set of figures, I get this, roughly: If 200 lb. person + 68.2 kg 20g (wet wt) x 68.2kg = 1364g = 5.77 cups (needed to be eaten) There were several Kalanchoes mentioned that could be toxic: daigremontiana, tubiflora (now delagonensis), fedtschenkoi, pinnata & prolifera. But never was any sap mentioned. You would have to consume the plant to be poisoned. There is no sap. I may have goofed in some detail above, but I think you get the jist of it. If you have pets you think will EAT the plants, keep them from it (by whatever means). Also, I grow these types outside, so it's not just an indoor ornamental. I have dogs & a cat. These plants are all over my back yard (weed that they are). My pets don't eat these plants. Also, no, I do not think any of the Crassula ovata plants are poisonous. Hope this helps ease some minds. =) Have a good day! ~Rosemarie
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Thanks! They actually do have quite a bit of sun...most of the pics were taken at night so they would be more detailed. I haven't taken them out of their little pot that came with them..actually that soil (in the crammed pot) was almost too free draining...the soil doesn't hold any moisture....when I do separate them, I will ammend the soil! They were very wilted (and curled) when I got them...(had to take them home because of that...lol!) I hate to see plants that are just dying of thirst with no one paying attention. Do you really think that one is Haworthia fasciata....thought that was the one in the lower left corner of number 5? Have to run to work now, but will look the rest of your suggestions up this evening! Have more babies to share, too...Lowe's got their brand new shipments in!
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pasimachus
15 years ago
The one on Ebay looks like Bryophyllum (or Kalanchoe)
crenatodaigremontianum. This is purportedly a cross of B.crenatum X B.daigremontianum. I have some of these, or at least I have some of what looks like the plant for sale. I actually like this better than the regular daigremontianum, which I have too.

I'd be happy to trade some leaves or plantlets - send me an email.
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15 years ago
I agree abt B. crenatum, the one I tried to starve for a year looked just like the pic, that Apple green, & that group & manner of leaf formation which is decidedly different looking than the regular B. daigremontianum. Comparably tough as nails tho' & near impossible to kill. ;>)
Denise
15 years ago
Ain't that the truth, Karen! I've "had" (have) both, too, and can't get rid of them no matter what I do. Just when I think I've picked the LAST one out of a pot, here come some more. Last year, I thought I'd gotten them all and at the end of summer when I moved all my plants inside, my back deck had them growing all along one of the cracks, between the wood slats! This spring, I put a 4.5' tall Euphorbia ammak out on my deck, it had been bone dry all winter with nothing I could see in the pot w/the Euphorbia. Well, we've had tons of rain and there is an absolute FOREST of the standard daigremontianum growing in the pot! Time to do some "weeding!"

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15 years ago
Well Denise,

Since it's you, I'll share the story of my misadventures w/ this plant.

2 Wks after 9/11 Jeff came to NYC for his first visit (w/ an unlabeled suitcase full of pumice no less, which caused him to be called off the plane for a consult w/ the pilot, who was native to San Diego, so he knew of it as a soil amendment to their very clayish soil thank G_d. Can you just picture a suitcase full of small white particles & Jeff trying to explain that away?)

So, we were invited to visit Dr. Gerry Barad (of Stapeliad fame) & his lovely wife & fabulous greenhouse(s). Being a kind & generous man, he shared lots of cuttings of various kinds w/ each of us. So we came home, sat on the floor w/ a big box of plant goodies, like it was Xmas morning -- dividing up the spoils, Aloes & Crassulacae for Jeff, Hoyas & Ceropegias, Carralumas for me ... we were left w/ this Apple Green B. cranatum (identical to this posted pic), which Jeff recognized (tho' at the time I didn't). Jeff didn't want it & on telling me what it was, I didn't want it either, but he refused to take it w/ him, so I got stuck w/ it! Was abt 18" tall w/ tons of babies at its base. I think Dr. Barad snuck it in the box while we weren't looking!

For a year after, I often withheld water for months at a time; whenever we had a C&S Show I would take it in to show & I would pick 20 plant babies off at a time & give them by the handful to little kids passing thru the Exhibit. I just couldn't quite muster up the guts to actually toss it in the trash!! Evil plants indeed!!

BTW, I've fallen in love w/ the Rhipsalis elliptica you gave me, I think its leaf shape is so pretty & graceful, esp. when it's sprouting new leaves -- thanks again D!!

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