Cold hardy Teas?
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Comments (18)Hi Brandy, Louis Philippe is still in a pot, but sure needs to get planted! He is totally clean and very happy as long as the pot is in full baking sun with lots of watering. When I put the pot in an area that gets sun from noon until sunset I started to get some cruddy leaves. Whether or not this would have resulted in a significant amount of cruddy leaves, I don't know. I moved the pot back so it could bake and he is happy as long as I feed his drinking habit. On the other hand, Cramoisi is happier in a spot that gets some shade in the morning, with full sun the rest of the day. He sulked in full all day sun. Go figure! Tamora and The Prince have been almost totally clean. The other Austins that have been doing great are Abraham Darby, Jude the Obscure, The Dark lady, Molineux, Sharifa Asma, Pretty Jessica, and Chaucer. Sophy's Rose (own root) has also been very healthy with half day of direct sun, is new this year, and amount of bloom is steady but not any degree of wow factor yet. May or may not keep her. She's young so I need to give her a chance. She may also want to be moved into full all day sun. I may do that this fall. The other Austins I have bloom extremely well, even in this heat, but with the exception of Molineux, who is on his own roots, the others are on fortuniana. This may make a difference, I don't know. I'm glad I got what I did on fortuniana when Ken Muncy was still alive. I don't know of any others who are authorized "dealers", who graft on fortuniana. I quit spraying, and these have stayed wonderful with no chemicals so far. I'd have to get through another summer with them to be sure, but most of my hybrid teas are now shovel-pruned, and the Austins have stayed healthy. I don't plan on doing much spraying again, perhaps only after pruning, and now and again for some extenuating circumstance, so I'm only keeping roses that can handle that. All of my Archduke Charles are exceptional. Souvenir de la Malmaison, Dainty Bess, Cramoisi Superieur, Prosperity, Mlle Franziska Kruger, Archduke Joseph, Aunt Belle's Tea, Gloire de Dijon, Niles Cochet, Crepuscule, Nachitoches Noisette, Mrs. BR Cant (I have several), Lady Hillingdon, Maggie, and La Biche have stayed very clean with the exception of a few yellowed or crud leaves here and there. I just pick them off if I happen to be walking by. They have stayed attractive and foliated, and most are blooming very well despite the heat. I noticed they are resting a bit between flushes. Most of the above were planted within the past year. Maggie and Lady Hillingdon have been in the ground almost a couple of years. Maitland White and Anna Olivia (I think I have the Bermuda form), absolutely do not need to be sprayed. Spice is also awesome, but suffers heavily from thrips here. Anna gets thrips once in awhile, but she is a keeper anyway. I feel the key is adequate spacing between bushes. I follow the guidelines that the Antique Rose Emporium advises. For example, if they say the best kept size for a rose is between 4 and 6 feet, I figure in Florida they will want to be the 6 feet and add an extra foot. So I would space that rose 7 feet from its' neighbor. I know teas can get larger than that, but Mike Shoupe feels they bloom better and are more attractive if pruned by about a third off each year (or twice a year). I also personally do not want unkept monsters that are so large I need a ladder to tend them. I figure Mike knows what he's talking about. I feel,as he does,that plants need some degree of rejuvination, but in very small doses, otherwise they'll sulk. I tend to prune only in the spring, as I don't enjoy pruning in the heat. I'd much rather just do the puttering type of work, like deadheading now and then, when it is hot out. The heat is no fun down here unless you're in a swimming pool. I also irrigate every day in the heat, and try to do some regular feeding and composting. What is nice about these old roses is that when it is hot out, I am not about to kill myself with feeding them and they do fine anyway. I just make sure they get some slow release at the onset of hot weather, and I make them wait till it cools off foir additional feedings. I'm hoping I can stand to do a feeding within the next few weeks. Sometimes they get a liquid food treat. I used to kill myself out there. Not anymore! Hope this helps. Oh, some of my bands that I potted up have stayed very healthy too. Sandy...See MoreTea roses in my greenhouse?
Comments (15)For Bourbons, I would recommend the smaller ones like Souvenir de la Malmaison and its sports, Kronprincessin Victoria for example. They could saty in pots and will give you beautiful blooms outdoor all season long. Pickering has a very good clone of SDLM, KPV should be ordered ownroots I think; mine is from Antique rose Emporium. I do not have that many teas because they tend to grow huge and wide and my garden is small. Duchesse de Brabant , as Krista already said, supposedly hardier than the rest - I saw several times that Pickering offered it. Mme. Antoine Mari - as I read and I hope it will prove to be true - is a smaller tea with beautiful buds and blooms and the foliage is nice, too. For Chinas, check out Pickering's list and you can call them and ask for some feedback regarding hardiness....See MoreLooking for cold hardy cuttings- Hardy chicago, alma,
Comments (9)I'd had Alma years ago and never got much fruit. It was in a large pot and I didn't even bother giving it away when I gave away my other figs. I figured it was a dud, and it has been neglected for years. Last spring when I started rooting cuttings I took a bunch a cuttings off the Alma. Surprisingly (they were very weak) they all took, and I suddenly had a lot of Alma plants. I didn't want to take up much room with them, so even though they grew like weeds, I left them in pots that were a little smaller than a gallon. To my surprise they started producing figs. It would seem that Alma likes to have it's toes pinched - that a congested root mass somehow encourages fruit production. This is just an observation (no proof) - but it would explain one of Alma's contradictions - why it bears resonably for some, but not for others. I can't guess why some find it hardier than others....See MoreZones for tea roses?
Comments (14)jacqueline, yes, they were own root and most came back. I did lose one. Those temps were very unusual for us, we have gotten down to 5 degrees for a few hours, but this was hours at zero for successive nights. I lost a lot of things that winter. noseometer, I think they will do fine there. They will sulk in the very hot weeks of summer, but they won't die. They will do well in the winter for you. If we have a mild winter, like we did this past winter, they will continue to keep their leaves and even bloom. I had blooms on my Duchess d' Brabant on New Years Day! I think you will be fine. You will probably need to keep them well watered until they establish their root systems....See MoreKrista_5NY
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