Scarlet oak versus northern red oak
Mario.Q
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Comments (13)Hi: We bought a couple of Mosser Lee brand test kits at Lowe's yesterday, one for moisture, one for pH. The pH kit tested the soil at the area I'd put the tree at around 6.8 or 6.9. Let me try to post of shot of our backyard, probably seem from our deck, with the garage/storage building (left of the shot) excluded when I took the picture. [IMG]http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l147/drrich2/Our%20New%20House/IMG_1927.jpg[/IMG] If the shot appears, it's the sunny right rear corner where I want to plant the tree, about 10 feet in from the fence. On the other side of the fence, several years back from where the tree would go, is a small creek (I don't think it has continuous water flow, but a sequence of puddles) that's cut a few feet deep into the ground, so I take it the ground water though here might be decent. Our yard slopes from the front of the front yard to the back of the backyard. Richard. P.S.: The Logan County Extension Office web site doesn't really have a recommended tree list I can find online; I may have to call them. P.S.#2: About.com's Forestry section has an article with 10 trees they don't recommend; I'll include a hyperlink to it. They indicate it gets gigantic & needs wet, acidic soil. I'm open to consider it, if it seems like a great choice for our application. P.S. #3: Dutchess, I'm not familiar with Willow Oak; any thoughts on what would make it a better choice than Northern Red Oak for what we're doing? P.S.#4 (Miscellaneous Points): Dan, I pointed out some Sycamore trees & my wife wasn't too taken with them. And I have allergies. Brandon: I could go up to $200 if it's a tree around 12+ feet tall & apt to grow & do well. Ken, our main ongoing 'care' of the tree would be to water it occasionally. I don't do much pruning & such. This is in Russellville, KY. Thanks for the link. P.S. #5: Let's say I picked an oak, went ahead & planted it in the latter half of July & watered once or twice weekly instead of putting it in over in October. How likely is this to actually harm the tree? Is a summer planting just higher maintenance, or if it does replace it but if it lives you get a jump on growth, or is it apt to stunt the tree? (In other words, I'd like to get a jump on growing the tree, if it's practical to do). Thanks, everybody! Here is a link that might be useful: 10 Trees not to plant (for many folks)...See MoreNorthern red oak vs. scarlet oak
Comments (19)I'd recommend a trip to Morton Arboretum, they'll have a nice variety of all these so you can really get a good feel for the differences. I've just never seen a scarlet oak in Chicago so I wouldn't feel safe recommending it (might just be a fluke). I mentioned the city proper thing as I've been told in Chicago that east of Damen the soil is more acidic, I'm west of that line, but I really heavily amended my entire yard (rototilled in tons of mushroom compost and manure) a few years before I planted the NRO, and it turned a great orangish-red last year. I suspect that buying a NRO (or scarlet, for that matter) from an established nursery gets more reliable fall color, as they know that's what people want/expect, even though the red in the title came from the wood/lumber industry. good luck, you can't go wrong with an oak no matter what, Chicago planted burr, shumard, swamp white and shingle oaks all over my neighborhood over the past few years, can't wait until they really get established....See MorePin Oak vs Scarlet vs Red
Comments (7)Yardworker 1, I have all 3 in my yard, and I agree, it's tricky by leaf shape. The PIn oak tree, is pretty easy to spot if you go by the trees growing form. I have the red oak (Rubra) and the (Coccinea) Scarlet. I can pick out my Rubras VS my Shumard and Nuttalli's. I have 1 baby Scarlet oak. But by leaf shape it is difficult. My Rubras have a different shape now in their "teen years". If I had to choose between the PIN, SCARLET, OR RED. For a fast growing beautiful tree, in a yard with limited room, I would HAVE to say Pin Oak. Which NEEDS a PH of Neutral 7.0, or lower. The red oak Q. Rubra should be a 2nd choice for a large yard where you could plant 2 oak trees. I Just have actually spent some time under my Pin oak today. I saw it's nice form and I was in awe. I just was so happy i planted it, it is so wonderful. Yes, I am not joking. But I think that the Q. Nuttalli is a nice oak also. I really don't have an oak that I think isn't wonderful, really. I will add that the REd Oak is likely to grow to be more Massive than any of the other oaks mentioned. Unless you try a Compton's oak, that is,. The Compton's oak has no real fall color. It is in the "White oak family" anyways. Not like the Pin Scarlet or Red oaks. Well, all 3 of the oaks "Pin, Scarlet and Red" oaks are said to have red fall color. All 3 may be red in your area yardworker. I can remember the "pin oak" in my yard actually 2 of them, being a quite showy red leafed tree in fall. There are Scarlet and Rubra in my area. I will have to pester the neighbor with a Q. Rubra on what he remembers in fall from his giant Rubra which I planted in !997. I really don't recall how good the fall color is....See MoreWorried about my Quercus Rubra (Northern Red Oak)
Comments (11)12" leaves? Wow, that's amazing. If mine get to be 5" I'm doing good. The advantage to the soil I have, is good drainage and acidic ph, which many kinds of trees prefer. It's not very fertile and requires water regularly so I wouldn't call it 'great' but with some effort I can grow things. :) The only reason I asked about a soil test is that many soils tend to be low on nitrogen or lacking trace elements like sulfur and magnesium. A lack of these can cause reduce growth and are some of the easiest to remedy. So just a thought. Ph is more difficult so if that's the case, you may just have to enjoy that it grows and is healthy looking. :-) Even my soil doesn't hold nitrogen very well, especially if it rains a lot, so a light application of slow release N product in early spring has proven to be advantageous to growing things here....See Morefamartin
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