Grandmother's Hat

11 years ago

I want to buy a Grandmother's Hat rose now that I've figured out the perfect place for it in my landscape. I'd prefer to have a full-size plant, not a band.

Where would you suggest that I purchase the plant? My usual rose sources (ARE, Chamblees) do not carry it. Thanks, Lou

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rosefolly

11 years ago

"He who shall remain nameless", commonly known as "the unmentionable rose grower" is a rosarian from the San Jose area who used to own a small nursery some 15 or more years ago. He offended Spike Hernandez, former owner of Gardenweb and was banned from this site. Even mentioning his name on GW would get you in trouble, the first time re-directed to the Disney site, and if you persisted, banned yourself. All this happened back in the 1990's. I have no idea if mentioning his name would still get you in trouble now that Spike has sold GW but I'm not going to test it myself.

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roseseek
11 years ago
Unless you either luck up on a local mom and pop nursery who grows it, or someone who has an extra, large canned plant to share with you, I'm afraid you're out of luck getting a mature plant of her, Lou. The last two sources for budded stock were "he who shall remain nameless" and Ashdown. All the listed domestic sources offer only own roots in bands. You might contact those listed on HMF to inquire if they may have stock in larger sizes, but that's likely to be a long shot. Kim
jacqueline9CA
11 years ago
I got 'Grandmother's Hat' in a gallon size, own rooted, a couple of years ago from "Annie's Annuals", a wonderful nursery in Richmond, CA (SF Bay area). I don't know if they still have it, but if not you should call them to inquire if they will be getting it - it is a small nursery with very good and personal service. Their catalogue is to die for. Of course, if they have it I imagine the shipping charge would be substantial.

Jackie
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Absolutely gorgeous pics Jeri! Thank you for posting them. Sigh, sadly, location-location-location. For those of you who are tempted but happen to live in the Mid-Atlantic states, GRANDMOTHER'S HAT was a black spot disaster for me in Maryland USDA Zone 7a - and yes I sprayed, with two fungicides. In the five years that I grew her, the spindly, nearly thornless, shrub never got above two feet. She had no vigor growing on her own roots compared with the found Bourbon MAGGIE that was also own root and planted the same year in the same bed that had its soil amended to improve drainage and fertility. MAGGIE exploded into a robust four foot shrub within two months with good-to-very-good remontancy. I didn't crowd the roses either because I assumed they would become big shrubs. GH rarely rebloomed and always flopped the blooms into the mulch (weak necks). Such a shame because as you can see the blooms are extraordinarily beautiful. Sinfully fragrant too. I'm not kidding. INTENSE, knock your shocks off, fragrance that rosarians dream about. I got my own root GH from Annies Annuals.
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rosefolly
11 years ago
And really, a gallon does not offer all that much advantage over a rooted cutting in the case of Grandmother's Hat. This rose grows to be sizable quickly.

Last winter when I was pruning I pushed some cuttings in the ground, as I do frequently. Several of them rooted. I was busy and did not get around to harvesting them until last week. I was only able to save one. The rest had grown into a small entangled thicket and I damaged them digging them out. This rose goes from cutting in the ground to a two or three foot plant in less than a year in my climate.

If you find one in a gallon, that's excellent. But if you can only find a rooted cutting in a 6" liner, you will still have a good sized plant before you know it.

Rosefolly
roseseek
11 years ago
Here, too! She's still coming up from the roots left in the ground from where two canned ones sat. I can't tell you how many there are around which have come up from those roots. Kim
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
11 years ago
My experience also was that it grew like gangbusters from a band size. Unfortunately the flowers in my hot garden lasted for only a very short time, but I haven't heard of anyone else who had this problem. This rose loves to grow!

Ingrid
lou_texas
Original Author
11 years ago
Thank you all! I think I'll go ahead and order a band. Lou
lou_texas
Original Author
11 years ago
OK. I'm a bit confused. I didn't realize that Kim is connected with RogueValleyRoses. I just knew from reading the forum conversation that he/you are an expert with a long history in roses. Perhaps I'm a bit slower than everyone else.

So I didn't understand "he who shall remain nameless", but now I do. Still not clear on whether Rogue Valley offers gallons or not. I just ordered a band. Am I allowed to say all this here?
roseseek
11 years ago
Hi Lou, I am not affiliated with any nurseries. Nope, you're not any "slower" or "faster" than anyone else. I'm just a rose nut who enjoys engaging with other rose nuts here. I do volunteer on HMF when there is time and energy, and I do have knowledge of the history of many of the nurseries. But, I don't work for, nor receive anything from any nurseries. Kim
lou_texas
Original Author
11 years ago
Got it! Thanks. I'm still a little clueless about some of the nurseries mentioned here. When I get a minute I should probably research them and learn who is connected where. Lou
jerijen
11 years ago
Mentioning the name won't get you in trouble -- but it WILL get your post blocked. This is simply idiotic, but it persists.

As for Grandmother's Hat -- it grows hungrily, but it's not necessarily the easiest rose to root -- as a result, it is available from various nurseries, when they have a "crop" of plants.

My DH has pretty good luck with it, and I want him to start some plants to share with folks in our area, just because it's so good here. We also need to start more of the white sport -- 'Tina Marie.' THAT isn't in commerce at all.

Jeri
Coastal Ventura Co., Southern California
lou_texas
Original Author
11 years ago
Oh. Now I have the picture. I thought that Kim was calling himself 'nameless' in order not to promote himself commercially on the forum. When I googled Grandmother's Hat and Kim Rupert's name so I could order a band from his business, Rogue Valley popped up on the screen. I feel kind of dumb, but at least I'm learning some things. And at least I've got a good rose on the way. It's 80 degrees outside today, and I can't wait to get my new roses planted.

And once again you all have been very helpful. I love your postive, encouraging attitude. Makes it a pleasure to come to the forum. Lou
roseseek
11 years ago
No reason to feel dumb, or anything else, Lou. That was an easy association to make. The Internet is wonderful, huh? LOL! Kim
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