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Grandmothers hat sport

4 years ago

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looks like my grandmothers hat has begun sporting to either Tina Marie or Larry Daniels. I noticed an almost white bloom last week and the new blooms opening up are white with pink shading

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jerijen

4 years ago

In my cooler climate, 'Tina Marie' is usually blush. (In Sacramento, it's distinctly white.) But I have had it sport right back to "Grandmother's Hat" and I've had half-and-half blooms, too. I really wish it were available now, because it's a great rose. (I need to get DH to do some propagating.) Here's an example, but she is infinitely variable.

For me, 'Larry Daniels' was a warmer pink -- and the color was more stable. But my plant was a very very weak grower, and we finally got rid of it.

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garden nut z9b
Original Author
4 years ago
jacqueline9CA
4 years ago
So cool - I did not know that GH had recognized sports in commerce. I love sports.

I looked at both sports pages on HMF, and I am a little confused - the descriptions & pictures appear to be almost identical. Does anyone know what the difference(s) between Larry Daniels and Tina Marie are supposed to be?

Jackie
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Oh, Jackie! Wait until you see a hedge of the three together! It's gorgeous! That's how the man who isolated and registered the two sports grew it. He stated he found a good third of the Grandmother's Hat plants he produced sporting to Larry Daniels. Sports traditionally revert to the original about thirty percent of the time, which led him to believe that GH is the sport and Larry Daniels is the original and the one we should be trying to identify. I'd love for you and Clay to come, Jeri! I think it's a wonderful 'excuse' to get together! Sure, please? Anything you want to bring for me to wrap is fair game. Holly is bringing Tina, Larry and Tamalpais Tea. What works best are last year's flowering wood, or that just below last year's flowering shoots. The buds shouldn't be already forming new foliage and flowers, or it's too far along pushing new growth. Robert just sent a load of Gigantea, Helenae and Banksia goodies and they were easy to work with as he'd removed the foliage and cut them to about six inch lengths. Material for wrapping is very much what's used for bud sticks. It cuts down significantly on the amount of room. Thank you! Kim
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From what I understand one is a paler pink than GH and one is white, but obviously there are variations in each sport which blurs the lines between the two.
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Thanks, Jeri & Ingrid. I LOVE the Tina Marie which is half & half!

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svetilda CA9b
4 years ago
Garden Nut, did yours come from Annie's? Last month I had same light pink blooms on my Grandmother's hat and I bought mine from Annie's.
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4 years ago
But they all do it. Look at these blooms both on the same plant:
roseseek
4 years ago
Kippy in Santa Barbara recently had one of the forest of Grandmother's Hat plants behind her house start flowering light pink while the rest remained darker.
jerijen
4 years ago
Yup. I think of it as a bonus.
garden nut z9b
Original Author
4 years ago
mine is from the sac cemetery.
jerijen
4 years ago
Sacramento's 'Tina Marie' came from my garden. Their "Grandmother's Hat" was a donation from Sequoia Nursery.
We have that clone, and one collected on Mare Island, and also (most of ours are) a clone we got from Bob Edberg (Limberlost Roses) which I think probably came from the Huntington Botanical Gardens, and so comes from Fred Boutin's discovery ("Altadena Drive Pink HP").
And we donated a plant back to the Huntington, a few years ago, so it went full-circle.

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