Signs of Over Fertilizing
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Comments (5)I've wondered about this question too. With ordinary plants in potting soil, the risk of over-fertilizing is that as the water in the soil is taken up by the plant or evaporates, the concentration of fertilizer salts can increase greatly. At some point the osmotic pressure of the water and fertilizer surrounding the roots can interfere with water uptake by the roots and possibly damage the roots. With mounted orchids though, I haven't seen any information on what happens physiologically when watering with fertilizer. It seems three things are going on: (1) the roots are absorbing water into the velamen, (2) the roots are absorbing fertilizer ions, and (3) water is evaporating into the surrounding air. I would assume that you would want all of the fertilizer to be absorbed before all of the water on the surface of the roots is gone. Otherwise there would be a thin, dry coating of all the residual fertilizer on the roots. So the question is how fast roots can absorb fertilizer - anyone know? It would seem that for that reason, it would be bad to use any fertilizer at all when the air is warm and dry, since the water on the roots would evaporate too fast....See MoreFertilizing non-soil
Comments (11)Lyn: I don't have glacier slurry, but I can give you answers from folks who grow plants in potted medium with thin layer of soil mixed with peat poss. From High Country Rose, who gave me the healthiest bands, like over 1 foot tall Pat Austin with a 4" bloom. Here's THEIR secret to tall plants in tiny bands: "We use Daniels fertilizer (liquid) on our roses and our soil has mycorrhizone in it." Daniels fertillizer is also used by other large nurseries. It's 40% lower in salt and soy-based. The ink on your newspaper is also soy-based, and people report worms loving that stuff. The other expert is University of Kentucky, College of Agriculture. Their research is entitled "Organic Fertilizers and Composts for Vegetable Transplant Production" - I grow both tomatoes and roses, they are similar in being deep-rooted, like well-drained but fertile soil. You can read their research at: http://www.uky.edu/Ag/HLA/anderson/orgfert3.pdf The differences between chemical and organic fertilizer are: 1) chemical is faster, but higher in salt 2) chemical leaks out of the water, and does not build up nor improve your soil 3) you have to water the plants more if you use chemical The downfall of organics can be seen from the above U of Kentucky research, such as: bagged compost cow manure came with a low pH of 4, versus a high pH of 8.21 for composted horse manure - the potted soil medium MetroMix 500 is best with pH at 5.29. In that experiment, the chemical fertilizer Peter's 20-10-20 came out ahead of the organics: The plants with Peter's were green and tall, the plants with cow manure slowed down and yellowing started to occur, the plants grown in worms and horse compost, or the NO fertilizer control were stunt, including purple stems, yellow and dead leaves at the base. My conclusion: if you have the advantage of porous, super-well drained soil, plus plenty of rain - then go with chemical fertilizer, it's faster. I stick with organics since my soil is heavy clay, poor drainage, and whatever salt I put in from chemical fertilizer stays there longer. My logic is: Why should I give excess salt to my plants, they get thirsty and I have to waste time watering them? Folks who live in a dry, hot region plagued with drought would do better with organics, since they have less salt, improve the soil, and hold moisture better. My favorite stuff to acidify the soil is peat moss (1 to 2 inches mixed with the top 6" of native soil can lower pH by one point). The second favorite is alfalfa meal with root-stimulating hormone, I mix with flaky horse manure and use as mulch. We don't know the damage of chemicals to the environment until later. One example is aluminum sulfate, once recommended to acidify the soil. Now it's known that excess aluminum kills plant roots, and the experts recommend sulphur or peat moss instead....See MoreIn the growing season,how often and how much do you fertilize?
Comments (5)Good Morning! Wildcat...my 2 big brugs are in the ground.They are about 6 ft+.They get most of the attention and the above is their feeding schedule. I'm thinking that maybe I'm over-doing it. I know that you Northeners have to push your plants more to get blooms before winter.I'm in Florida with a longer growing season....so do you think I'm over-doing it? All my cuttings have already been potted up and they get 1/2 strength ferts with a small amount of manure tea about once a week.They seem to be growing by leaps and bounds too.I just potted them up a few weeks ago and now they have roots coming out the bottom drainage holes.I think I'm going to repot them in larger pots and then they will have to make due in that until spring.What do you think? LucyGoose, I've always heard NOT to give them a high middle number ferts.Someone else will have to elaborate or correct me if I'm wrong though. I do give mine deep waterings about every 2-3 days. Right now,were still in the 80's during the day and 70's in the evenings.We are supposed to get a bit cooler around Oct.17th. I've already got about 5 buds that will be opening soon and many more forming now.I think I should get a pretty good flush soon. Of course,I will post pics when I get my other computer. Wildcat...is that 15 gallons per plant or for all your plants? Here is a pic I had on file of one of my big brug in the ground.It's a pink,un-named variety. Here is a link that might be useful: Pink brug bloom...See MoreIs it even possible?
Comments (6)It is possible to burn with enough of anything artificial, or manure that is fresh, but doubtful with what you are using. I have fertilized Bananas with Miracle Grow every 3 days all summer with no bad effects, it was enough to burn the native weeds growing around them, but the Bananas just get getting bigger. I have seen people scoop the blue fertilizer straight into the pots and water it, but I have yet to try that lol, and probably wont as it seems harsh. Tropicals are much different in nutrition requirements than the plants that normally grow where I live. My Brugmansia can be fertilized full strength every couple of days without burn, and sometimes that's the only way I can get them to form buds. Biggest problem I have had with over fertilization with tropicals is not burn, but it can throw the soil chemistry out of wack, and bind up certain things like calcium, magnesium due to antagonism, and can actually cause deficiencies. Anything too acidic, or too alkaline will do this also, making the nutrients unavailable to the plants, even though you are feeding them like crazy. At a ph of 5.5, my bananas start to get some calcium issues. Only thing I have used that will change the color of banana leaves to a light yellow green is epsom salt, and to me it proves foliar feeding does indeed deliver nutrients through the leaves, because the next day after spraying, the leaves always turn a lighter green. Bananas will fold like that when it gets hot, even when watered properly, it reduces the surface area to the sun, and keeps them from losing too much moisture....See Moremichaelg
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