I've grown under T8 lamps before, and as mentioned, I grew cacti & succulents under a 400 Metal Halide fixture. This wasn't supplemental, but full time, and I got real good results, mainly because I gave my plants 16 hours a day of sun, which here in Wisconsin, is only available in the peak of summer. It is very easy, if not easier, to grow under lights, assuming you definately have enough intensity. The only negatives are obviously the cost to buy the lights, and the cost to run them, plus the space they take up. I agree that sun is best, for obvious reasons, but with lights, you can control everything, even things like the blooming of certain plants, like Christmas cactus and such. Be warned though, that once you figure out how well lights can work, it's real easy to get lots more plants, because there isn't a window limiting the space available. Joe

Yes, it is once blooming with single blooms. It has beautiful foliage; 7 leaflets which are long, narrow and pointed. I just checked my old rose list - it does not list a breeder but has 'Kiftsgate seedling' under class. That explains the height, I guess. Unfortunately, the growth has been to the open side of the tree which faces my neighbor to the back so I don't get to enjoy the blooms. The tree lost several large limbs in last winter's heavy wet snow and more sun is getting through now which probably explains the emergence of three huge basals this year. I hope they survive the winter.

thanks mizellie, some of the pics of Lois Burns look dead on, while others were not even close. the specs are about the same though. i do know that mine does not have a green throat at all. the entire flower is all the same yellow. then as the day goes on the edges fade out to white.

The LED lights are from Ebay from a company called LED wholesalers INC. This will be the first time I use the lights for an application other than supplemental light. The lights come in varying wattages but I use the least expensive panels because I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars and I really don't need lights that are that powerful. A 90W LED light is the equivalent of 400-600W HPS light. A mix of red and blue LED's is the best for growth and flowering while white just adds extra brightness. The colour of the light is not very noticeable unless it's in a dark room and the lights run cool/warm instead of hot and are very slim and light which makes them easy to install. I also found some really cool LED aquarium lights that are a strip of lights sealed (water tight) in a tube and are used to simulate moon light at night. I may add two small strips to the inside of the tank to boost the blue portion of the light spectrum under the white panels. I want to see how things grow first but if they look like they need some more light I will invest in some aquarium lights. http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380108250821&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT I think people could be upset with what they get if they don't do some research. If you want an extremely bright grow light you will have to spend the money. There are 1000W equivalent daylight panels out there but they are really expensive although prices are starting to come down slowly. So far I am pleased with my single red/blue panel and my Hoyas have been growing very well under it although they do get some light from a south facing window that is about five feet away. You do need to keep the plants as close to the panel as possible to maximize it's effect. My panel is quite high above my plants but I only wanted it to provide light to the taller plants as they climb their supports. What exactly were the negative comments about LED grow lights? I can always post my experience with these lights after a few months or some time during the winter. If my plants don't bloom or grow well we will know that they are not bright enough. Mike Here is a link that might be useful: LED Wholesalers INC on Ebay