Does anyone grow Sharifa Asma in zone 4 (or above)
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Comments (12)Thanks so much for all your help -- I wasn't sure how Abe would do up here. Lindy, know exactly what you mean about the fragrance - it's heavenly! John, can you tell me more about evergreen jasmine? As in where do I find it? Evergreen AND fragrant? It sounds perfect! And if I don't use SA on the trellis, I have to find a place for her, don't think I can do without her color and fragrance. Your photo of her is gorgeous! Pacnwgrdngirl -- The trellis is about 10' and very open and airy looking. Lots of curls and swirls. It looks like something out of "The Secret Garden" or something you might find in a Victorian garden of long ago. It was once painted white but a lot has worn off -- I'll definitely leave it that way. I'm still trying to figure out how to get it home. Once I do I'll post pictures. Cat...See MoreAnyone growing Quercus nuttallii in zone 4?
Comments (14)pteroceltis, Yes I'm 100% sure of the name change. As Pam noted, Guy is not found of this name change and neither am I. Quercus texana most commonly referred to Texas Red Oak(Texas Shummard Oak or Rock Oak are a couple of it's other "common" names) in the past and still does in 90% of the nurseries in the state of Texas. Texas Red Oak now goes by Quercus buckleyi. Historically Quercus texana was mistakenly used in a description of Nuttall Oak also, and this was the oldest published record and in 1985 this was purposed by a botanist as the valid name for Nuttall Oak, even though it appears the original publication of Q. texana used for Nuttall Oak in 1860 was done mistakenly. And I believe in 1993 at the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature, Tokyo, this name change was officially made, but it didn't come into common scientific used until the past 10 years or so and just within the past 4 or 5 years has it become widely used in the nursery industry(mostly outside of the state of Texas). Q. texana wasn't published as the scientific name for Texas Red Oak until 1873, so this is why this a botanist 100 years later decided it needed "correcting". Q. texana has also been published as the scientific name for Chisos Red Oak(aka Graves Oak) in 1918 but this was quickly declared invalid and the accepted and very clear scientific name for that species is Quercus gravesii. The thing that bothers me the most about this, besides the obvious confusion the scientific name change caused, is that now scientific publications, like the Flora of North America, are changing the "common" names to match their new scientific names! If you look up Texas Red Oak in the FNA, you'll find it's "common" name is supposedly Buckley's oak! This is indeed a name used for this tree in parts of Southern Texas, but it's much much more "common" name is Texas Red Oak which is the most widespread vernacular name for this Oak, but it's not even listed as a secondary name for the tree in FNA and other scientific publications! If you look up Nuttall Oak in the FNA, you'll find it's "common" name is Texas Red Oak now! At least they kept Nuttall Oak as a secondary "common" name. I have yet to find a living human being anywhere in the USA that does or has ever called Nuttall Oak by the name of Texas Red Oak! It's completely ridiculous! Just because they changed the scientific names and in that old (1860) publication it's called Texas Red Oak, does not mean that's it common name nor the name in the common vernacular and it shouldn't be changed at all! This is where worse confusion has set in, in my opinion. Now some non-scientific sources and publications are going to these new scientific publications and using the "common" name that's listed there. It's so bad that I virtually have no idea of what Oak someone is selling or talking about if they say it's "common" name is supposedly Texas Red Oak, or if they list it's scientific name as Quercus texana! I think Quercus texana should be declared nomen confusum and just be dropped altogether, thus changing Nuttall Oak back to Quercus nuttallii and keeping Q. buckleyi for the REAL Texas Red Oak. OK, I got to rant on one of my biggest pet peeves, thank you for enduring. :-)...See MoreGrowing Palm Trees in Zone 3-4
Comments (11)Great thread, I love out-of-zone plantings! Can a windmill palm really be grown in zone 3 or 4, even with generous winter protection? That would be great, but is seems way out of zone here in the Cdn prairies. I checked out the website, and I've seen them growing on the west coast of Canada (pic included below), but that's a very mild climate, like zone 8 or thereabouts. Catalpa seem reasonably hardy for prairie gardeners looking to test the limits. I've got a small one (two feet high and several years old) growing in my increasingly shady back garden here in Edmonton. It's still very small and is sheltered from winter winds by a nearby fence, but it doesn't seem to have suffered much winterkill during the past couple of winters (but they weren't harsh winters). Ginkos are great... I had a small one but it didn't make it past it's first year in Edmonton's suburbs, yet I know of one on the University grounds downtown that has survived at least 10 years. Actually, I haven't seen that tree in about 10 years, so I really need to locate it again and see if it is still doing okay. I used to also watch a ginko growing in Drumheller, Alberta, near the Red Deer River (pic included below) -- last I saw it was small but healthy, but I haven't checked it out for the past decade so I really need to take another look. My sugar maple is about 12 feet high, growing more as a bush than a tree. It is maybe 10-12 years old, and has a fairly thick trunk. It can winterkill quite severely, but has been doing pretty well the past 5 years or more. I have a butternut tree roughly 12-15 feet tall, at least 10 years old, and it has produced nuts for the past several years. My grapes (Valiant) produced heavily this fall, and the wine from them is now bottled. Pears (Ure) are usually ignored when they ripen, but they are tasty and the tree has been growing vigorously for 15 years. Magnolia and Northern lights azalea survived several winters but seemed to get increasingly smaller each year, eventually discarded. Forsythia did great in a mild winter, but crappy otherwise, and were a pain to chop out, including all the sucker-plants. Well, that's all my info on out-of-zone plants. If I can actually grow palms here in zone 3, please let me know! Ginko growing in Drumeller, Alberta - 5 to 6 feet tall, healthy but with some winterkill of top branches Windmill palm growing in a garden on the Sunshine Coast, north of Vancouver, British Columbia....See MoreZone 4 DAs in zone 4?
Comments (35)I'm a zone 5a, but I'm still confused if that's a Canadian or american zone 5. Anyways, as for hardiness in roses it seems to be a trial and error process for me. I have had much better luck with Austin's than other roses. Obviously the hardy Canadian roses do well for vigour, but they are not all as pretty as many other roses that are available. Almost all of my roses get pruned to the ground come spring due to winter dieback. But some Austin's spring back much quicker than others. I have also lost roses that were rated for zone 4, but others have survived no problem. Sceptre'd isle was a dud for me & died after 2 winters. Gentle Hermione died after it's first winter. Crown Princess - one is doing well & a second one died after last winter. Those are all recommended in zone 4. Graham Thomas survives here, but has never been particularly vigourous. Whereas, Teasing Georgia is a nice big bush at 6 x 3 feet by mid summer. Charlotte, Gertrude Jekyll, Crocus rose, Benjamin Britten, etc. are very vigorous here. I'm willing to try any of them that strike my fancy anyways....See Morepredfern
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