Can The Impressionist tolerate shade? Disease resistant?
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Asking the impossible? shade tolerant, disease resistant climber
Comments (19)About shade tolerance, cold climate gardeners rightfully look for Hybrid Musks that are shade tolerant, but if your garden is in a U.S.D.A. zone that is 6B or warmer you can grow roses that re-bloom more often than Hybrid Musks. A group of roses bred from Old Garden Tea roses, crossbred with Noisette roses, bred the group which vintagegardens calls Tea-Noisette. Tea-Noisette are climbing roses that produce lovely, large Tea like roses that blossom from early spring through summer, and on through the autumn. In our organic garden, a few miles east of San Francisco, these 4 Tea-Noisettes, all re-bloom well with only half a days full sunlight, grown on the eastern or western side of a tall building, or tall wooden fence. I cannot speak for disease resistance where you live, but would suggest you look at photos of these roses at helpmefind.com/roses pick a couple you like best, and then post a query on gardenweb, for information on the disease reistance of that rose where you live. Four shade tolerant Tea-Noisettes: 1. 'Crepescule" (6b or warmer) translates as Twilight. A blend of cream, gold, and apricot. I was surprised after we planted this sublime rose against an 8 foot tall wooden fence, that 'Crepescule' quickly proved itself to be every bit as shade tolerant as the Hybrid Musk, 'Cornelia' that we planted beside it on the fence. 2. 'Reve d'Or' ... a golden dream indeed. (6B or warmer) Blossoms are quite round, and have scalloped edges, which gives it a feminine appearance. 3. "Mme Alfred Carriere' 7B or warmer) White with a heart that changes from rose-pink to peach, that seems to light it from within. I'd like my M.A.C. to have a few more petals, but it is a very graceful rose. Not as resistant to powdery mildew, here, as the following rose. 4. California form of 'Lamarque' (7B or warmer) blooms with larger roses than the regular form. Quite disesase resistant to p.m.. but that says nothing of how healthy it would be where you live, where blackspot is the primary problem. In many ways I prefer this rose to M.A.C.., the foliage is darker and has more substance, and it is one of the few roses that reliably blooms after Thanksgiving, here. Nearly all of the small flowered bush types of Noisette bloom well with 6 and 1/2 to 7 hours of sunlight, where Hybrid Teas require 8 hours of full sun. Among these are 'Champneys pink cluster' 'Catos Cluster' pink 'Nastarana' white with pink buds. 'Caroline Marniesse' lovely cherry bud like rosebuds contrast very well with the blossoms. 'Secret Garden Noisette' intensely fragrant. Best wishes for beautiful and healthy roses, Luxrosa Good luck with your roses, Luxrosa...See Morehow shade tolerant and disease resistant is Gruss an Aachen?
Comments (5)> The other gets 3 to 4 hours of sun with some air circulation but not as good as the first spot. I am in the mid-atlantic region. What is your experience with Gruss in terms of shade tolerance and disease tolerance to BS and to a less extent mildew? Hi ikea, I'm not very near you, but the blackspot and cercaspora pressure here is high. My three Gruss An Aachens here in similar conditions to your more worrisome area did fine. Their air circulation was imperfect, though not what I'd call low. I can imagine more profuse blooming, but they were healthy no-spray roses that always had a bloom or two going soon after they were planted last spring. (Clarification: I mean that to say we garden organically; we do spray with things like Kelp and Safer insect soap spray, especially with the huge sawfly problem here.) I'm not saying that they never had some blackspot or cercaspora or any other diseases you might wonder about, but nothing to really set the plants back--absolutely no total defoliation, or anything even close to that, even with a lot of insects here. They were very healthy, though I guess I ought to add that my definition of that does not mean perfect leaves all over the plant. The only reason I don't still have them is that they, along with all the nearby roses, came down with Rose Rosette Disease. All roses are vulnerable to that. I'm definitely going to get some more Gruss An Aachens for this too-shady yard. Of course, more sun is better for roses. But you might have a trade-off there with a rose that needs the sunnier spot for decent health a lot more than the Gruss An Aachens do. At least, that would be true if you were growing around them here. Congratulations on getting a WONDERFUL rose! Best wishes, Mary...See Morezone 4 disease resistant rebloomers for shade?
Comments (7)An absolutely iron clad rose is Rugosa Alba. Its' only fault is that it suckers like mad. I had to dig a trench and put in some of that plastic stuff used to keep grass out of flower beds. That's in my main bed. I've planted some on the North side of my house and it grows well there. I have a couple of other roses that are tip hardy, recurrent and disease free. Both are obscure one maybe not available. Karl Forster and TFTB. The latter is bred by an amateur. TFTB was never registered, the last I knew and I'm not even sure if the hybridizer, Joan Monteith, is still around. I need to email and find out what's up with her. I have no idea about their shade performance. TFTB grows on the North side of an old well so it gets sun most of the day with the lower parts shaded. Karl is full sun. It has these white, white flowers that are a rather muddled yet symmetrical in shape. Covered up and down the canes. Big 5' or so....See MoreRed HT that tolerates some partial shade?
Comments (6)Hi Kate, we're in different climates, but I'm no spray and all of my roses grow in less than ideal sun conditions cause that's all I have. :) Have you considered Royal William? I hesitate to recommend a rose I've only had for one year, but it shows real promise. Very disease resistant (here,) nicely bushy, bloomed a lot (especially for only a 1st year rose.) It's a Kordes (I purchased from Palatine Roses, who sells it as Duftzauber) and I have seen it recommended as one of the easiest/best roses for beginners. So far fragrance is only light-medium to my nose-which surprised me-but hoping that will improve with time. For comparison, I have both Oklahoma (5 years old) and Firefighter (3 years old), both of which have stronger fragrance than Royal William. I prefer the darker color and heavier fragrance of Oklahoma to FF and I agree it has both very good disease resistance and shade tolerance. Absolutely magnificent blooms especially in cooler weather, rich deep sophisticated burgundy red-I can't think of another red HT I like better-it just hardly blooms! Firefighter blooms much more than Oklahoma-and those blooms last longer than Oklahoma-but Firefighter is NOT disease resistant (here) and in fairness that may be worsened because it is growing in part sun instead of full sun. Because of it's strong fragrance, productivity, and lasting qualities, I think Firefighter would be a candidate for "best overall red HT" if it shows good resistance in your area or, of course, if you spray. But I expect F.F. might just continue to decline on me since it almost completely defoliates from blackspot each year. Hence why I have such high hopes for Royal William :) Hope that helps... Dawn Here is a link that might be useful: Royal William at helpmefind.com...See Morelagomorphmom
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