If in doubt, go with white -- try 'Ducher'.

:-)

~Christopher

Christopher, thank you for the suggestion:) My fear is how white will respond to the heat and sun during July and much of August. The rose will need to withstand morning - 2 1/2 hours of afternoon heat. I placed MIM in the corner which receives a reprieve from the summer sun first. It's roots and bottom 12" will always be shaded by a very heat tolerant plant in front of it, and there is a palm tree behind it, so a little micro climate. The rose next to MIM will just be out there....

In company with those colors, I'd go with poiple. There are a number of really good purples, old and new. Tom Carruth's poiples ought to work for you.

Below see 'Eyes For You,' the next "blue" rose I'm going to plant -- but this one isn't in commerce in the U.S.

Jeri

Belinda's Dream might be a consideration. In my hot garden it hasn't grown nearly as much as other people have experienced and is well within your growth parameters. La France is a rather narrow rose, and the large, globular blooms with great fragrance do very well in my heat.

Ingrid

Lyn, I know there's been lots of discussion about your climates. Can you grow Noisettes? Do you want 6' of height?
I think all the suggestions are great. Purple and or white. Seems to me PP and MIP have a similar bloom. What about something with a smaller bloom like a white/pale pink noisette?
That gives you fragrance and a better repeat than MIP (though I don't know about PP).
Susan

Lynn,
I wouldn't use Carruth's Ebb Tide in your yard. I have three--two are in a veritable hell of heat with southern exposure, right next to the house, and, of course, they fade like crazy. The third ET has a western exposure with some shade. It fades just as badly. Twilight Zone is a better alternative, if you have to have that kind of purple. You might give Young Lycidas consideration again in the future. That rose is tough--survived a traumatic transplant a few months ago to another hot spot, and has taken off like crazy, always blooming. It does have a lot of floppy long canes, all with blooms, that are tied up, but I've found my Austins grow out of this phase. I think it's an excellent rose. Good luck, and I hope it has cooled down a little for you, as it has here (a lot actually, due to our northerly latitude--having a big storm right now in fact.. Diane

poorbutroserich, I have yet to try a noisette. I have a few bourbons, a handful of hybrid perpetuals and a handful of Austins. I am interested in trying Noisettes but I am so unfamiliar with many of them and their growth habits etc. I fear most white roses in the intense heat areas as many of the blooms just do not stand up to it and burn. I have heard that Bolero and Kronprinzessin Victoria are heat tolerant.

I had ruled out purple in this spot that will get a lot of summer heat because for some reason I had likened its performance to lavender, which I just cannot grow other than in a partial shade and morning sun only area or it just looks awful. I do not know why I made that assumption. I can only guess it is due to the horrid look of most lavender roses during the summer.

Nanadoll, I purchased a Young Lycidas bareroot on Dr. Huey that will arrive this winter because I could not resist the beauty of it. It is going in a little micro climate I created in the front yard, but the back yard... I think it would look great next to MIP but I wish I knew it would survive and thrive. I am thinking that if the one in the front yard performs well, I might move the Pleasure to a pot or gift it, and plant a Y.L.i n its place. I really like the floppy canes and nodding heads in the right garden application. I find it very charming.

Ingrid, La France is beautiful! How well does it hold its color during the summer?

Lyn, I love the Noisettes so much, it's worth a try. Reasonably lax canes, great fragrance and constant bloom. Check out Felicia on HMF.
Mine is less pink, likely the fading in hot sun. Pinking up a bit more now that it is getting cool.
Susan

Here is a link that might be useful: felicia on HMF

Mme Ernest Calvat, the sport of Mme Isaac Pereire (not Pierre)
is a beautiful rose.

mauvegirl8,

It is a beauty! My concern is the size at maturity. HMF has it listed at 8' x 4' which the width is perfect and it is likely that I can keep it pruned down to 6'. Do you grow Mme. Ernest Calvat and may I ask, what is your experience with its heat tolerance?

I have a Baronne Prevost next to mine.

My Ernest Calvat has been in my garden only 1 year.
I do not know the size at maturity. The foliage is ever green despite
my very hot & high humidity summer season. No blackspot.

Another rose for thought, is Louise Odier, very lovely

I thank you all for the suggestions. I decided to play it safe per Christopher's suggestion and moved a white rose from my side yard to the planter. If I get bored with it, selecting something else will give me something to purchase next season.

Blue Girl, I am strongly considering Ernest Calvat for another location, and the Twilight Zone suggested by Nanadoll for my front side yard in an area near Munstead Wood.

My Ernest Calvat has been in my garden only 1 year.
I do not know the size at maturity. The foliage is ever green despite
my very hot & high humidity summer season. No blackspot.

Another rose for thought, is Louise Odier, very lovely

Twilight Zone is a beautiful, fragrant rose. Mine doesn't repeat as often as I'd like but its young.
Susan