Which Teas and Polys are healthiest?
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Comments (5)Just so you know... "Hauselt Plot Tea" is almost certainly Hermosa. Also, by convention we don't rename found roses once they are given study names. The reason is that we want to be able to identify each rose by one unique name. Unfortunately, we have no central data base of found roses. As a result, some roses have been found and refound numerous times, with numerous study names - - which makes for lots of extra work and confusion. It's up to the collector of a found rose to give it a study name. Ed Wilkinson, former curator of the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden, used to name roses he found and collected in cemeteries as "Legacy of...." It's a nice way to acknowledge the headstone and to give notice to future collectors where a rose was found....See MoreHealthiest Roses in 2014
Comments (15)Time to assess the healthiness of my roses this past year. Actually, I worried less about disease and more about a general wimpiness and smallness in many of my roses that had to be pruned back drastically after last winter's brutal cold. I do hope they gain back some eagerness and vigor this next season. HEALTHIEST: Home Run--I can't remember ever having any blackspot on this winner. I never spray them (I have 3 of them). Double Knock Out -- I have 2 of them--they never get anything. Munstead Woods--my favorite Austin--hardly gets even a passing blackspot! The Fairy--impervious to BS Mystic Beauty--this Bourbon (like SDLM) only has a few passing BS problems. The Wedgewood --this Austin climber is still rather new, but so far has had almost no BS problems. Felicia and Ghislaine de Feligonde--both are quite new, but have had no BS problems this past season. Most of my minis--Green Ice (4), Popcorn Gourmet, Little Sunset (2). Unfortunately, Sweet Diana (7) needs a bit more care, but isn't bad on that score. VERY HEALTHY, BUT HAVE OCCASIONAL PROBLEMS: Easter Basket, Pretty Jessica, Queen of Sweden (3), Molineux (2), Eutin (3), Pompenella, Elena (3). GOOD BS RESISTANCE: The rest of my roses need a couple sprays in the spring and fall, but definitely are NOT disease magnets. LOSER, HEALTH-WISE: One exception: Gypsy Carnivale--this is my little disease magnet that I assumed would not last long, given its general wimpiness, but it persists in hanging around. I haven't the heart to toss this beautiful disease-ridden HT. It's the only one I fuss over, in that respect. Kate...See Morehealthiest roses for zone 6b
Comments (20)I am starting to think that hybrid teas, even the older ones, are not as much work to keep clean as the dense shrubby OSO EZEs and the Knock outs. wIth the HTs you just look to the hygiene, air transfer and spray them with old fashioned Sulpher Lime and dormant oil in the winter. With the twiggy new shrubs you can accumulate all kinds of fungus and stuff but they keep blooming and over grow the yellow leaves. They have to be opened up and cleaned up or they infect everything around them. I really believe this. You really cant strip their leaves off; its suicide. Here in coastal NJ we are in black spot hell, fungusamongus every spring. The nights are cold and wet. The days can get warm with big drops in temperature. Humidity all year. I have rugosas but keep them far away from other roses because they are great mildew traps. I like all of them. Some that I think are excellent for us in cold 6B are Autumn Sunset, Queen Elizabeth, New Dawn, Sea Foam, Cecile Brunner, Heritage (prone a little to bs) popcorn drift, and the newer Kordes. I have found great Maidens Blush gets some, but its worth it, so does Sidonie, but I love it. Sun, spacing, food and hygiene (pick up the leaves) are the keys....See MoreNeed size and sun duration info for some Chinas, Polys, Teas, and Misc
Comments (10)As you may have noticed from my previous posts, many of the roses in the Tea and China classes get BIG here: Comtesse du Cayla, 8' x 8' at 8 years (with regular, firm pruning -- heaven knows how big she would be otherwise...has on occasion tried to climb the nearby orange tree...), blooms do fry in temps over 85F, but I imagine if you have some humidity, they may have more fortitude. Etoile de Lyon, 7' x 12' at 10 years, totally heat-proof (one of my best if it is over 100F, and generally a great, favorite rose here), but a total catastrophe if there is even a hint of moisture in the air (brown blooms that hang on forever -- this one always gets deadheaded). The first flush is almost always trashed by moisture. Ducher, hit 4' in a couple of years and was still going, but was such a mildew magnet that he was removed. Ferndale Red China, hit 5' here in 3 years, got moved last winter because obviously NOT a front-of-the-border rose, but already now back to 5' as if nothing had happened (I call that "vigorous"). I'm glad, seeing Mendocino Rose's comment, that the new spot gets afternoon shade. Mildews, but not insufferably. Miss Lowe's Variety, perfect tea-like foliage, amazingly does not mildew. 6' x 6' in 5 years, spring and fall flushes are best, but some blooms all the time. Alliance Franco-Russe was mostly annoying here. Mildewed leaves always, fragile blooms (moisture, heat, you name it) , so he was a big (7' x 7') ugly plant that really had no good time of the year (and in a great part of the garden). I put up with him for 6 years, hoping for improvement, then said goodbye. Devoniensis did not fry in the sun, but did mildew badly on the east side of the yard. Was fine on the west side of the yard. Was going to be too big for space available (5' x 5' when he left), and I needed the space for rarer roses, so no longer here. Thomasville Old Gold was such a mildew magnet that he only lasted two years here. Cramoisi Supérieur, like most Chinas, mildews some, but not so much as to get booted out. I am charmed by this rose, especially the spring and fall blooms. 4' x 5' so far (4 years)....See Moresandy808
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