Need size and sun duration info for some Chinas, Polys, Teas, and Misc
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Comments (28)Hello again and thanks for all of the responses! This turned into quite an interesting thread! Sorry to take so long to reappear- my husband needed my laptop for work so I've been without it for a few weeks. WOW is all I can say about Marie Pavie! I'm sold!! Thanks so much for sharing that Patricia!! Your yard is beautiful! Berndoodle- Thanks for the info on Mons Tiller and the suggestion of Georgetown Tea. I think the 2 different roses would look great in a hedge, then I read ARE's Guide to Antique Roses and they recommend only using one variety. I know I'm tempting Murphy's Law... :) Anniesbriars- Thanks, I was thinking of putting a row of BPKOs in front of the tea hedge to cover naked knees, but now I think I will go with Marie Pavie instead! KOs are so common here I just want something else if I can get away with it. I have a few BPKOs at my house and they are good landscape plants. Sandy- So your Mrs BRCants are from Ashdown then? Mine is from Chamblees, so I'm a little worried now! Thanks for your input- I think we must have similar tastes in roses, from reading some of your other posts too. Good to know your Mrs BRCant hedge is doing well. You must post pictures when you can!! :) Thanks to everyone else also! Very interesting about the different experiences (and clones?) of Mrs BRCant. I wish mine were old enough to judge. It's only bloomed once and the blooms did ball/crisp so I haven't experienced the magic yet. I'm still hopeful though... :) Does anyone else have an opinion of Georgetown Tea as a hedge? It is an Earthkind rose, so that's a bonus! What if I had a row of GT then a row of Marie Pavie in front (pruned to 3' each spring)? I will prob get MP from ARE as I understand they have a good fragrant clone. Can anyone recommend a source for a good clone of GT? Happy 4th everyone!! Kristin in Atlanta...See MoreP.M. resistant Tea roses?
Comments (54)I'm a little confused, some of these are not entirely tea, let me know if the noisette / china hybrids should be reported on elsewhere. A Mme Antoine Mari - no sign of mildew, occasional bs exclusively on old leaves. 2 years old now General Schablikine - as Mme Mari. Beales 'Anna Olivier' - not a spot on it all season - first year rose, still tiny Isabella Sprunt - ditto (if the blooms didn't lose form so fast this would be my perfect yellow rose) Clementina Carbonieri - ditto Mme Jules Gravereaux - ditto, except 4ft tall, not tiny. Duchess D'Auerstadt - ditto, 6ft up it's arch. No blooms but immaculate. Lamarque has been immaculate the whole summer and has taken off like a racehorse in its pot - it's well over 6ft tall. Destined to grow over an arch onto a warm wall. I love, love, love it. Still, have to see what the damp dank winter does. Perle d'Or, small, first year, spotless. B Reve d'Or has had a touch of bs on the long branch that dangled in the undergrowth - once propped up that disappeared. No sign of mildew. Comtesse du Cayla in a pot mildewed, the one in the ground did not, so I think it's an artefact of water supply rather than the rose. Lady H - blackspots a bit when unhappy; i.e., I haven't watered it enough. Never mildews. Sanguineua - occasional spots, no mildew - in desperate need of a bigger pot, so factor that in. Mutabilis, never mildew, will bs and shed and regrow leaves rapidly. No more than say, 10%. Isabella Nabonnand - needs a new pot, some bs, but it's been swamped by an ambitious euphorbia so that might be part of it. Maman Cochet and Maman Cochet white - these leave me this autumn to their new up the road home. Both had a teeny touch of mildew and bs, but I think that was lack of water related. Incidentally, they ball like it's their job. They have excellent sun and air flow too. General Galleni is about 6 inches high in his pot and not doing much. Had a touch of mildew when in shade early this spring. Beale's 'Archiduc Joseph', tiny, had a touch of bs early - again was shaded. Souvenir de Leonie Viennot. Had a little mildew its first spring and autumn, in a pot. Clean so far this year, apart from limited bs on old leaves. It bloomed like a trouper in my hottest,driest spot. C Crepuscule mildews for me, and has done so lightly but unremittingly since it first leafed out. I am not in love with it atm, really hope it grows out of it. it is in the more moisture retentive area of the garden so I don't think it's a dry root issue, unfortunately. Alexander Hill Gray, ditto, also it balls, ugh. No bs though. Le Vesuve - doesn't mildew, does BS periodically. Don't love the effect of bare thorny canes frankly. It does bloom its socks off though....See MoreWould like some advice on teas/chinas in the uk
Comments (50)Ugh just had a long update/ coment eaten by the posting gremlins. Will try again with more info later. Later, with added commentary. Le Vesuve. This rose (by tape measure, not by eye) is 4ft 9 by 4ft by 3 ft vertically. So far, no signs of mildew! I'm very happy with it size wise for a first year rose - there are supposedly much hardier roses in my garden that have done less with more, so as to speak. General Schablikine This one has stayed a small hummock, but with one comical 3ft cane. According to "Tea Roses For Warm Gardens," this is it's habit when it's immature so I'm not too worried. It is paler than the others, almost chlorotic looking, and I wonder if it might want an iron/seaweed tonic dose. Mme Anoine Mari. I begin to understand the accolades this rose has; although a little lopsided, it's slowly, gracefully branching out to just under 3ft in all directions, all the while clothed in glossy dark foliage. Mutablis Best freebie EVER. It blooms and grows and blooms and grows, staying shapely and well foliated. Gruss I haven't a new picture of. It's spotlessly healthy and about 4ft tall, but only 18 inches wide. very much looking forward to it becoming established. Both the Ladies H, truck on serenely. They bloom and grow and bloom and grow, more or less continuously. The potted climbing version needs a bigger pot and a less lacksadaisical waterer, but carries on regardless. I do see the plaint about the dead blooms, but it's nothing like the mummified horror that is Alchymist so I can overlook it easily. Also the are both spotless, huzzah, a non sprayed yellow rose in England in September that is NOT imitating a Dalmatian. Leonie Viennot is HUGE - 6ft of growth on every cane. However, it's shown some tendency towards mildew, BUT it's potted and immature. I really need to make a call on a permanent home, but the potential mildew is making me hesitate. Not that it actually is mildewed, just the leaves are crumply like it's GOING to mildew, but never quite gets powdery. It's a dilemma. Latest garden addition (bit scruffy, I haven't finished planting!) Based on how happy I've been with my experimental roses, I'm going to push the boat still further, and try some more teas, chinas and maybe a tea noisette or two. Blush Noisette is bidding fair to be one of the best roses in my garden in a quiet sort of way. Really charming. I'm hoping it's not an outlier! The Perle D'Or I mentioned up thread will be ready this autumn, (although Arethusa is apparently not wanting to play) and I am contemplating Duchesse D'Aerstadt as replacement for the horrible Alchymist, which nothing I can do makes happy. Mme Jules Gravereaux/ Celine Forrestier for the arch, Alexander Hill Gray, Anna Olivier, Clemetina Carbonieri, for the yellow /orange beds and last but not least, Homere and / or Hume's Blush/Odorata to replace Eglantyne. Any thoughts? Guesses as to sizes? My baby Vesuve is already about as big as Beales thought it would top out at, so much for that estimate!...See MoreNeed some help with roses for hips for tea
Comments (8)I'm going to reply to bump this up, because I think it is a fascinating topic. The idea that the previous owner's great grandma planted a rose or two in that yard, and that they are still there, is quite intriguing. I wonder what you have? If you take pictures of the flowers, canes, leaves, and hips this season, someone here might be able to identify your mystery roses for you. You might have something really rare or interesting! Hybrid tea roses are not, as you indicate, ideal for making tea. Their name comes from the fact that they were produced by crossing various other sorts of roses with old tea roses (which have genetics from China, and rebloom prolifically, but also nod their flowers and form enormous bushes). Those old tea roses sometimes have a scent reminiscent of tea, which could be the source of their name. Another possible source for the name "tea rose" is the fact that they would have been brought over with traders bringing tea from China. For rose hip tea, my guess is that you will want some old, once-blooming garden roses, or the wild roses you mention, to make delicious hips. Or maybe rugosas, as Shelia mentions. Her suggestion to contact High Country is a great one! Roses do not have to be difficult at all. How difficult they are largely depends on the sort of rose you are dealing with, and the place you are planting it. If you give your roses a sunny spot in fertile soil, with enough access to water, they should be happy. Some varieties are more picky than others, so do some searching on Gardenweb for varieties that people have success with in no-spray situations. Many old roses do fine in no-spray gardens, and are survivors (like the ones in your garden). They may get a bit of black spot or whatnot, but generally not to a debilitating degree. Pruning requirements vary, depending on what sort of rose it is. One solid rule is: to keep them healthy, remove all dead wood every spring. Underplanting with herbs and flowers is fine, and most people who grow old fashioned roses do this (but you wouldn't want to plant anything really aggressive next to your roses). In fact the Apothecary's Rose (Rosa gallica officinalis) was grown in herb beds and used for medicinal purposes for centuries. Some old roses (including the Apothecary's rose) send out suckers, so be aware of that when planting. Another thing you might want to look into would be roses whose petals are really fragrant, to add petals to your tea. You could look into the roses that are used for perfume, such as Kazanlik or Ispahan. When you make you figure this out, and learn about making rose hip tea from experience, please do let us know your findings! I'd love to know more about this topic....See Morecatspa_NoCA_Z9_Sunset14
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