What Rose Would You Most Like To Have - But Can't!

mdseagull

16 years ago

What rose would you most like to own, but can't for whatever reason - zone, space, etc.?

I would love to have Kiftsgate, but definitely don't have the space for her.

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bettym_grow
16 years ago
My number one on the list is Distant Drums. This one keeps slipping through my fingers for strange mysterious, out of my hands situations. I LOVE this rose, I've chased after it and almost caught up with it once but it eluded me! It is very frustrating.

I wish I could have Crepuscule (sp?) But it is too cold in zone 5 for it.

I also want the Lady Banks Rose, banksie lutea (again sp) but I can't have for the same reason as Crepuscule.

I want 25 Pat Austins but it was DH's fault I wasn't allowed to get them.

Fun thread BTW!

Betty
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wildlifegarden
16 years ago
oh my list is soooooooooo long but they are all of the dark purple gallicas that require chill hours I cannot provide in zone 9b. just off the top of my head they are -

Song of the Stars
Nightmoss
Nuits de young
capt john ingram
charles de mills
cardinal de rich.
gosh the list is too long...now i'm sad.

michelle
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canadian_rose
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I would love to have a really beautiful climbing rose (like Crepuscule or something else). I don't really want an explorer climber (I had them when I was in zone 2). So I stick with clematis.

Carol
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windeaux
16 years ago
The rose I would most like to have but can't is the yellow Noisette, Madame Chauvry. You can't have her either . . . Alas, she appears to be extinct. There's an artist's rendering of her at HMF.

I keep hoping that someone in Europe will surface to say, "Hey, guess what . . . ?!?!?!?!"
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michelle_co
16 years ago
Rosa 'Jeri Jennings'. The photos of it are sooooo pretty.

Cheers,
Michelle
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23
16 years ago
I have always wanted 'Feu Pernet-Ducher' because the picture of it in Botanica's Roses is so beautiful. I think it is only available in Australia. CupshapedRoses picture of Souvenir de Alphonse Lavalee is also to swoon for...I wonder if Vintage's is the same variety.
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patricianat
16 years ago
Oh, Yes, Hoov that is a gorgeous rose. I suspect if you could get your hands on it, it would do quite well in your climate. That's what I want a climate where I can grow some gallicas, albas, damasks, pernetianas and all the roses I drool over with the ability to import some of those European beauties also.

P.S. I am having good luck (knocking on wood marimba here) with the Indian roses I have: Incense Indigo, Faith Whittesley and Southern Sunset. Perhaps they find my hot climate with now rare, but previous monsoon season, is similar.
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msrose
16 years ago
Right now, I'm obsessing over Sophy's Rose.

I fell in love with it when I saw it at the Ft. Worth Botanical Gardens, but didn't have room for it at the time. Well, I saw it at a nursery the other day and it didn't have a tag on it. I asked what it was and found out it was Sophy's Rose. I'm in love again and I still don't have a spot for it.

Laurie
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ghdr
16 years ago
Mermaid......the marriage of the beauty the the beast.
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jont1
16 years ago
I am seeing this in another way.
I want to be able to grow some roses on fortuniana rootstock to compare the vigor differences and thus the general growing and blooming nature of some of my favorite HT's and FL's. It is just too cold wintering here for fortuniana to survive.
John
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Vic007
16 years ago
Georgetown Tea as well as a few other teas. It's windy here & just a little too cold.
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patricianat
16 years ago
Jont1, perhaps we are both seeing the "grass is greener..." or "trading places.."
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nickelsmumz8
16 years ago
Alice Hoffmann. One has the impression it's impossible to buy. I think it would grow fine here... if I could get it without mortgaging my house.
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debnfla8b
16 years ago
Oh my....so many that folks up north grow. But then....I know they want to grow the ones I can grow.

I have always lusted after the Gallica's, Alba's and Centrifolia's. Charles de Mills is to be swooned over! I agree about all the purple gallica's.

Oh.....and Peonies!!! I would love to grow a peony.

Deb
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berndoodle
16 years ago
Bourbons, the rusting *!@#^?>!
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spunkybart
16 years ago
I don't have a specific rose, but I would like a big, huge, humongous climbing rose -- but alas, I really don't have any space for a big climber -- probably a yellow or maybe an orange one.
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23
16 years ago
Or 'Buddhist Clothing Fragrance', for the name alone.
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nastarana
16 years ago
Earl of Eldon, a tea-noisette climber. I seem to remember seeing a picture, so someone has it, but they aren't sharing.
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mike_in_new_orleans
16 years ago
Many---mostly because they get too big for my potted garden. I've had and loved the following but had to give them up do to them growing into giants:
Bride's Dream
Brigadoon
Veteran's Honor
Pristine
Mr. Lincoln (very tall, but also blows too quickly in the heat. This was my Fav. back in the Pacific Northwest.)

One's I'm afraid to try due to their size:
Louise Estes
Mrs. B R Kant
Kentucky Derby
Big Ben
Peter Mayle
Maria Shriver
Cesar Chavez

There are many others if I take more time to think about it. I'd better stop, and think about what I CAN have. : )
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mgleason56
16 years ago
Mine has and always will be Tony Peace. It is the 1 "Peace" variation I cannot get. Only available at a few nurseries...in Australia!

bettym_grow:
Where in MI. are you? Send me an email. I am pretty sure I can get you a Distant Drum at the drop of a hat.
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sautesmom Sacramento
16 years ago
I love google.

Earl of Eldon photo:

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=16185";

and a nice big list of roses:

http://www.rosenfreunde.de/forum2/tbb_forum/index.php?mode=viewthread&forum_id=2&thread=13&sid=808c3227059e6fed4788e9ca95b5af8b

Carla in Sac
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sautesmom Sacramento
16 years ago
PS Vintage Gardens says it can custom root roses, including Alice Hoffman, for $45.00 including shipping:

http://www.vintagegardens.com/roses.aspx?type=search&product_name=Alice%20Hoffman&product_fullclassname=&product_stdcolor=&product_colorquirk=&product_fragrance=&product_rebloom=&product_introducer=&product_date=

I found this place out on Help Me Find under "Available From"

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/roses.php

Carla in Sac
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teka2rjleffel
16 years ago
I too have the opposite issues as Jont1. There are thousands of roses out there, but in Zone 10 Florida, I am limited to a few dozen available on Fortuniana. Even so, I wouldn't trade my limited selection for winter.
Probably my number one is French Lace. I've never seen it on fortuniana.
Nancy
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trepadora
16 years ago
I got my French lace(on fortuniana, J&P) from local HD(Tampa) last year.
Actually, I still see some at Lowes last months.
Take a look at your local Lowes, maybe you can still find one. Good luck!
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carla17
16 years ago
Orange King
Rosarie de l'Hay

Carla
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scoobagirl
16 years ago
Imperatrice Farah

she is a beauty and I can't find her anywhere. She would probably hate my climate anyway.

jeri in texas
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luxrosa
16 years ago
with only 167 cultivars, I'd love a lot more space for roses. If I had an estate I would have ramblers all along woodland areas,including a few Ayeshires,"The Garland" and the climber which is not "Long John Silver"and a Shakspearean-Elizabethan era rose garden with turf and thyme benches, Apothecary roses, r. arvenis, white "Rose of York".
My roselust for Teas might be satisfied with 150 Tea cultivars.
Somewhere in the back, a cutting garden of H.T.s with every Pernetiana ever released, and H.P.s. "Miriam Wilkins" would have to be included.
I'd pretty much I'd be happy with Greg and Phillips garden, with less H.T.s and more ramblers, and a couple
acres of woodland.
Luxrosa
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dmny
16 years ago
Fortune's Double Yellow. I have the space, but not the zone.
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gnabonnand
16 years ago
The old garden rose, 'Duchesse de Brabant' (a true tea rose).
Just not enough room for her.

Randy
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