can we see the spot chosen???

ken

Southern exposure....so sun all day, near the fence.

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I like the oak a lot...wonder if it will end up too wide for the location though...? I imagine it will take a long time to reach that size though, right?

A couple of others that have caught my eye are:

Fagus sylvatica 'Red Obelisk'

Fagus sylvatica 'Dawyck Purple' (beech obsession...trying to get a grip lol)

Populus tremula 'Erecta' (have a regular quaking aspen in the backyard that is incredible...don't know how these are to plant under after established though? my beds are "permanent" where the other one is)

That's about it so far....just in the initial though stages. :)

I keep trying to love the arborvitae...but it just doesn't work in the space that it's in and I'd rather give it to someone else to enjoy and wave while it leaves...ta ta !

you need something other than green ... or yellow ...

you need a red .. or a blue ...

the pendulous red beech???

one of the blue larches??? .. i wonder if there is a blue weeper ... try a post in the conifer forum about such ...

the pendula pungens ...

i would rather you get something that will make your toes curl for a decade.. and then remove it.. rather than rely on 'fitting' something in there ....

i reject your reality.. and will substitute my own ....

ken

"i reject your reality.. and will substitute my own ...."

Ok, that literally made me laugh out loud - ha!!!!

i think you're right on w/ the red or blue...the one that makes me the most excited is the Fagus sylvatica 'Dawyck Purple'.

i thought about weeping...however...i already have the nootka jubilee at the top of the waterfall and two WBACs on each side of the pond...so mega-weeping going on already. thought maybe the upright would be a nice visual change.

it would be just "behind" the zebrina you see peeking out on the lower right, along the fence line

will try to find a full yard shot...maybe from teh roof lol

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ok...fuller yard shots

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that quote is from the blond mythbuster ... adam

what about the pendula red beech .... black swan

http://www.girardnurseries.com/product-p/beoooblsl0bp.htm

or picea glauca pendula ... for a blue .. link below

the skirting effect of either might be cool ... and you have room for the skirt ...

keep asking for pix.. just so i can see the result of all your posts ... lol ... you are waaaayyyyy bbbbeeeeeyyyooonnnddd the neophyte you claim to be ...

kken

Here is a link that might be useful: link

Would Prunus 'Amanogawa' work in your climate?

Here is a link that might be useful: Prunus 'Amanogawa'

Situation is too small for columnar beeches, oaks etc. - these all produce quite large trees in time. Even the 'Amanogawa' will get much too big.

And cherry trees need open, well lit positions to be fully satisfactory.

Looks like you may really need to be thinking in terms of a columnar shrub or small, shrubby tree.

flora - yes it would and wow, isn't that amazing in bloom????? thanks for the suggestion! i also like the color of cherry tree bark in general!

ken...i claim to be a neophyte b/c no matter how much i think i know...someone always knows a LOT more than me (especially when it comes to conifers). i can hold my own w/ perennials and general knowledge but i'm more of a jack of all trades and half-assed master of some. LOL

i am still leaning toward a dang beech. son of a beech. LOL

i have the purple fountain in the front yard...dawyck's gold in two places on the side of the house (again, your fault ken. i wanted to move my big one and you said to buy a second...your reality is now mine lol)

now then...where was i?

ah yes...beeches...

bboy...will the columnar beeches get too wide? more than 10' wide or so...?

everything at the arborvitae's "feet" can be moved...they are just perennials...so i could pull it further from the fence

Although not red or blue, there are some narrow Ginkgo that might work. Saratoga may work (7'x4' in 10 years) or {{gwi:363985}}. And Ginkgo does have a nice winter form.

My blue choice would be Picea engelmannii 'Bush's Lace' or Picea glauca 'Pendula' mainly because they are softer to bump into than a pungens.

tj

How about a REALLY narrow Sugar Maple? Acer saccharum 'Monumentale'

Arktrees

Here is a link that might be useful: Acer saccharum 'Monumentale'

WOW...love that sugar maple!! would the roots suck the life out of everything near it? (all I can think of is the evil silver maple)

the fastigiata gingko is also beautiful and i love the leaf shape on ginkgos!

Hmmmm...the decision just became a bit more complicated. lol

Although I love conifers...I'm still steering away from one in this spot.

Sugar Maple is definitely not like Silver Maple. A very large Sugar Maple will out compete most other plants. However this is not you standard Sugar Maple, and it is hard to envision it ever getting large enough to do what a standard Sugar Maple can do in mature form. Below is a link showing one in a garden setting.

Arktrees

Here is a link that might be useful: Acer saccharum 'Monumentale' in a garden

Even if it doesn't go in the indicated spot...I'm going to find a space for one of those Monumentale's in my yard! Love it and the S.O. said "WOW!! That's freakin' awesome!" when I showed him...that's huge. LOL

The three most catching my eye right now are the Ginkgo 'Fastigiata', the Acer saccharum 'Monumentale' and the ever-present upright purple beech.

Now to even begin figuring out if any are available locally (fat chance) and how long it will take for a 1' mail order one to get any size. lol

you grow enough hosta to know that no Acer is conducive to growing under ...

the only question is how many decades it will take for that eventuality ... or weeks in some cases.. lol ..

ken

andrea,
Call the link provided to Whitman Farms, it's not uncommon that she has, or can get more than is on he website. I provided the same link a couple years ago, and they ended up with a larger tree. The woman who owns it is very helpful and honest in her replies to any question you might have. Worth the shot. Also if I recall correctly, the Acer saccharum 'Monumentale' grows upward at a normal Acer saccharum pace, the branch growth is just greatly reduced.

Arktrees

lol ken....i know but since there are just herbs growing under...i'm hoping it will work for a long time and then i'll love it enough when it's large to not care about what is "under".

i'm secretly wanting to spike the neighbors silver maple...ugh....

anyhoooo....Arktrees...thanks a lot for the tip. i sent an email to her to see what she has! i also contacted "davidsan" of davidsans japanese maples in illinois b/c he supposedly has some larger trees and is doing a delivery to indy already on the 12th. don't know if it will be outrageous..? speaking of which...is Newton Sentry the same as Monumentale? Some sites say yes...some say no. Davidsan carries sentry but not the other.

i found Whitman's methods of growing in bags interesting.

i also contacted gee's b/c i don't know how tall "#1 and #2" would be...? that means nothing to me...ken...can you tell me since you have seen first hand? as much as i see you talk about diapers, make sure you give me details on the tree sizes of "#1 and #2"...not the diaper kind. LOL

andrea,
I believe Newton Sentry and Monumentale are two different cultivars. Pictures of Newton Sentry are much more like a Lombardy Popular than what is on Whitman's site for Monumentale. I read somewhere along the way that Monumentale is difficult to find due to the fact of propagation problems. This is due to the difficulty of obtaining scions from the almost total lack of branching. So assuming that is correct, then it would be easy to see why some grower(s) would want to use another narrow cultivar as a sub. All of which adds up to being very careful about where you acquire the tree from. As for the root control bags, they are very helpful for preventing circling roots. The ideal is that fine roots start to grow through the bags, but are chocked off, forcing new roots for sprout further back. The nursery industry as a whole seems to be slowly moving in that direction due to the reduction of circling roots, and the fact that these are better for producing trees with tap roots (i.e. white oak, scarlet oak) that can be difficult to transplant otherwise, as the root control bags force a more fibereous root system on those. Lastly, I bought a dogwood recently from Whitman's, and I am happy with what I got from her. Check her feedback on Garden Watch Dog. Also if you want to call her on Sunday, I don't think that's a problem. Before I ordered the dogwood, I asked when to call, and she said "anytime". Let us know how it goes.

Arktrees

I believe you're right re: the Sentry...pics look different when I look at them! I will definitely contact the lady at Whitman's and will plan to buy from her! I appreciate all of the time and info that you have given in helping me figure this out. :) (you too, ken...but you will never get rid of me, as you already know bwaahahahaha lol)

I really am going to get both the Acer and the beech...why not? Life is short! lol

Thanks again! Andrea

PS In the words of the Terminator.."I'LL BE BAAAHCK". Huge boxelder in the backyard is going down this summer so I will be looking yet again for either one large tree or several smaller ones. yay!

Glad to have been of some help to you.

Arktrees

ya.. its a maple.. but EXTREMELY slow growing ....

and stunning as heck ....

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link

holy moses...now that is gorgeous, eh??? dont show me more options right now, hear me? lol i'll think about something like that for the "back 40" when ye olde boxelder comes a-crashin' down.

hey, i asked you a ? above:

i also contacted gee's b/c i don't know how tall "#1 and #2" would be...? that means nothing to me...ken...can you tell me since you have seen first hand? as much as i see you talk about diapers, make sure you give me details on the tree sizes of "#1 and #2"...not the diaper kind. LOL

Arktrees - heard back from lucile at whitmans...she has 6" trees...yes...that says inches. lol

andrea,
Yes, I read 6' at first glance. Sorry to hear they are that small. Happens allot on plants that are hard to find. The silver lining would be allot less for shipping, and perhaps you can something else from her you like without blowing the budget. ;-) FYI, the dogwood I got from her, is in fairly early leaf out stage, so I would expect the Monumentale would be the same, as our kousa dogwoods start to leaf before our Sugar Maples do. This to say, that you might get lucky and get a foot or so out of it, so that it doesn't look so..... tiny.

Arktrees