Striped Rose Suggestions

14 years ago

My neighbor just cut down some large bushes next door, changing a shade garden into a sun garden overnight. Yeah! More room to plant roses!

I'm looking to put teas and other old roses in this part of the yard. It gets full sun from about 10am until 5pm. I live in Livermore, CA -- very hot and dry in the summer (90+ is common, winter gets frost but no snow.

I'm looking for a great striped rose to put here. It can be big - there's room for it. Looking through books I saw Variegata di Bologna and loved it - so striking! I looked on HelpMeFind and it said it was only ok to zone 6a? I guess it's a Bourbon but I don't know anything about that class.

Does anyone have suggestions of roses to consider? I like the drama of that rose which I think would nicely set off some of the more subtle teas that I have as little 1 gal to plant there - Grandmother's Hat, Rubens and Archduke Charles.

Besides the beauty of the bloom itself, I'd like an attractively shaped bush and good rebloom. Scent is not as important to me since I can't smell most roses.

Thanks for the suggestions. You've all given me some very good advice when I was designing my front yard.

Debbie

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bellegallica
14 years ago
'Vick's Caprice'

The striping is very subtle. In fact, I would call it marbled rather than striped.
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jerijen
14 years ago
Debbie -- We grew Variagata di Bologna for a few years, and never got it to bloom. At all.
I think it needs some winter chill. (You may have enough of that) but I think it's either not remontant, or not VERY remontant.

I still like 'Ferdinand Pichard' which we grew here for some years. It had good disease-resistance, and given time, it can achieve some size. The coloring is striking. (It is the source of the stripes in 'Fourth of July' and 'Scentimental')

We grew (hmmm ... still grow, I guess) 'Panachee d'Orleans,' but it's striping is so "subtle" as to be non-existent. It's on its way out, as a water-conservation measure.

You might look at 'Marbree' -- a portland, with good repeat. It's speckled, rather than striped, but very striking.

I would avoid Rainbow, which mildewed like mad down here, but which also mildews at least some in the Sacramento City Cemetery.
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I grow Ferdinand Pichard (only a two-year old bush at present), but so far am well pleased. Most sources say it is a Hybrid Perpetual, though, not a Bourbon. The blooms are on the smaller side of Modern Roses...more like the size of a V. di Bologna but the red parts of Ferdinand is more red than VDB. I can't comment yet on the repeat bloom...bush isn't mature yet. It does seem to be doing well with blackspot this year and it was labeled an outstanding rose for disease resistance in the Montreal Botanical Gardens trials of a decade ago. Here is a link that might be useful: Garden Musings blog
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scardan123
14 years ago
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variegata di bologna (btw bologna is the city where I work!)
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ferdinand pichard
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jerijen
14 years ago
Oh, now, that Candy Stripe -- that's a WOW.
I had, years ago, something that purported to be 'Candy Stripe,' but which had no stripes.
It came from Hortico, and I didn't know enough to realize I had a mis-labelled rose.
Vintage has it Custom Propagation, so maybe there's hope that one day they'll put it on the available list.

Another you didn't mention is 'Careless Love,' which I have always loved. (See link below)
It doesn't have the vigor of the rest of the Radiance group, but its color is sooooo striking.

Jeri

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Careless Love' at HelpMeFind
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sunnishine
14 years ago
Soutine is a striped florist rose

rainbow is a striped tea

Rosa mundi is a striped once bloomer but gorgeous

Moore's Striped rugosa is beautiful
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caroleintegacay
14 years ago
I have a striped rose that I got from Ashdown that I love. It is a Delbard that is called Guy Savoy Right now it is one of the healthiest roses in my yard and even after being cover with blooms a month ago it is now covered with buds.

Carole

Here is a link that might be useful: Guy Savoy at HMF
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mendocino_rose
14 years ago
I've always had some trouble with Variagata too and we do get winter chill. I remember reading that they had trouble with it at Sissinghurst. I forget why. I've had great success with Camille Pisarro. It might be more modern looking than you like. This year I planted a striped moss. I can't remember the name properly now. It might be Oelliet Panache. I saw this in a PNW garden and it was totally charming. Scentimental grows gigantic here. I've actually put it on an arch. In the spring it is very attractive, summer not so much so and the fragrance varies with the weather. Madame Driout is enchanting but disease prone. I still wouldn't dig her out. She might love Livermore.
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jerijen
14 years ago
>> I've always had some trouble with Variagata too

*** In addition to not blooming, it also grew quickly to be as big as a bus.

Scentimental grows gigantic here.

*** Tom Carruth used it as a climber in his own garden.
We grew it for years, and I enjoyed it, though oddly, I never cut it for the house.
We removed it to make space for a Found Rose, and I'm happy with that.

Jeri
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daun
14 years ago
rosecorgi - Does that mean you love roses and corgis?
I know I do...
I live over the hill from you in Tracy. The only striped rose I have is Scentimental, 8' tall bush. What form are you looking for in your rose? I grow Cramois Superior in the climbing form and the blooms are red with some white center streaks. It blooms non stop from April-Nov. Arching growth and flexible canes..
Check out Vintage gardens and use the color form to see what might work for you.
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mendocino_rose
14 years ago
I forgot to mention Honorine de Brabant! She is a great big beautiful thing.
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Molineux
14 years ago
For big, bold color (and fragrance to match) you really can't beat SCENTIMENTAL. Just be forewarned that the vase life is very short. Then again, the repeat bloom is fast and furious. This reproduction Floribunda is always in bloom. Plant it with some Star Gazer oriental lilies for an absolutely stunning effect. Can you just imagine how good that would smell?

Case in point. Image by Rosebud-7-Atlanta at Hortiplex.
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rosecorgis
Original Author
14 years ago
Wow! So many choices. I'd really prefer an old rose type for this new bed (I have enough moderns) but rebloom is very important to me, so I don't know what to do! They're so beautiful and dramatic! I need to keep researching each to see which will be best for me.

Daun, yes I have three corgis! Quite a handful. The roses are in the backyard since it's one of the few flowers besides trees that they respect. I'm probably the only one on the forum who likes roses with thorns (thorns = corgi respect!)

That photo of Scentimental is out of this world! What a great mix with the lilies. My husband would love it - scent is lost on me.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll keep thinking!

Debbie
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ajpa
14 years ago
I've been reading this thread with interest, as I would like to have a reblooming, disease resistant, striped rose one day.

Would that narrow it down to Scentimental? I am in SE Pennsylvania, btw, so would it get BS here?

What about Moore's Striped Rugosa? Does anyone have that?
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Molineux
14 years ago
I shovel pruned Moore's Striped Rugosa. It was a total black spot disaster without spraying. Scentimental is also prone to black spot. Your best bet for a no spray, reblooming striped rose is CARELESS LOVE.
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sunnishine
14 years ago
Robert has moore's striped rugosa in his no spray garden and it looked beautiful when I way it on memorial day. Go figure.
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jerijen
14 years ago
Your best bet for a no spray, reblooming striped rose is CARELESS LOVE.

I LOVE Careless Love!
Had it years and years ago, not knowing what it was.

It's not the strongest grower of the Radiance clan, but it is so beautiful. I have a little baby plant outside in a 1-G.

Jeri
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