No, I don't know anything about the white one. Never even heard of it before. But I did use to grow the regular one. It was a perfect bush. Wish all roses could be that healthy and nicely shaped. Yes, her blooms lasted a nano-second, but they looked nice and had large petals. I had to remove her long ago because she quickly outgrew the limited space I had for her ... way back then I didn't know you couldn't trust the sizes stated by the vendors when you live in the south.

I still grow a smaller sized descendant of Carefree Beauty ... 'Thomas Affleck', hybridized by the Michael Shoup organization at The Antique Rose Emporium. Carefree Beauty was a good momma, imparting much of her toughness to her offspring.

Randy

"White Carefree Beauty" gets no Google hits except a post by you, Sammy. Where did you get it? It may be a made-up name rather than a sport of CB.

Don't give up on CB, it's a fine easy-care rose for garden display, not of course for cutting.

Randy, I did not know that THomas Afflect was a descendant of Carefree Beauty. Is it not also a descendant of Basye's Blueberry? I don't have a very accurate memory for these things.

Michael. Last year when I realized that I was going to have to discard so many roses, I wanted to try this rose. (I was discarding all of my Prairie Stars that were white.) I have it listed as White Katy Road Pink. I purchased it from Chamblees last year.

I have not seen it listed in the ARS Handbook, but it is listed in HMF.

I am not impressed with it at this point, but it may be because of the rain and thrips.

Sammy

OK, it is a sport of CB, then. Have you tried Paloma Blanca for a white?

I am growing White Katy Road Pink from Chamblees. It is growing and blooming well. It is just a white sport of CB. I like the color- mostly white w/ a slight blush of pink.

Sammy, you are correct ... Thomas Affleck's parents are 'Carefree Beauty' & 'Basye's Blueberry'.

Randy

Michael, is Paloma Blanca good for a no spray garden? I am actually looking for roses that can remain relatively clean in my garden rather than a specific color. After this wet spring, I realize that it would be a good idea to grow a few more reds - or roses that will not be so vulnerable to the "droop" after rain, the thrips and cucumber beetles. I will look into the Paloma Blanca. Many of the Buck roses have done quite well for me.

Sabalmatt, that is the color of mine too, but every single bloom so far has been either attacked by thrips, cucumber beetles or rain. At this point I have not had one clean unaffected rose from that bush.

Sammy

Sammy, I don't have Paloma Blanca yet, but folks in the Midwest and Upper South have reported it disease-resistant and not too badly plagued by the usual white-rose problems. My BS-resistant Bucks are Earth Song, Country Dancer, Prairie Harvest, and Winter Sunset. A couple more look promising, but I don't want to comment yet.

Try the floribunda Irish Hope, very resistant for me, gorgeous and fragrant.

CB is the best rose in my garden without any question!! She has clean foliage and has just finished a 2nd complete bloom-out. I need to clip off at least 200 hips so she'll bloom again. I don't find that her blooms blow too fast. They'll keep 2-3 days at least. This past cycle flowers were much smaller than the 1st spring flush but both produced the same number of flowers- hundreds! She is a big shrub but is a great performer in every way. Mine came from Chamblee's thru a local vendor. She's about 7 years old and gets better every year!

Buffington, are you talking about Carefree Beauty or White Carefree Beauty?

Michael, I am trying to get as many Buck roses as I can, which means all that will not get damaged by diseases. I have what you have listed and quite a few more.

Sometime I intend to start a list of successful or unsuccessful Bucks. anyone else can do it of course, if they wish.

Sammy