I just got my order from J&P. The two quart Icebergs are small but healthy, arrived well packed and with moist soil in the containers. The bare roots? A couple were marginally acceptable. Two were ridiculous, puny little sticks with short roots. If I had seen them a Walmart in a sale bin I might have given $1 for them. I'm wondering why this happened. I know that these might be late season bare roots and picked over. But each plant they send out now is an ambassador for the new company. These plants didn't have to go out. There are tax breaks, and write-offs for started companies. They could have let the puny roses grow another year. Instead, they put them on sale and sent them out. In the old days they might have gotten away with sending out shameful looking roses because many rosarians were not on Gardenweb and didn't necessarily know how to compare. But this is the Age of Information, and if you send crud, the crud receivers are going to say something. I was ready to give them a chance and if they had sent out nice plants I would have said so. The little Icebergs are nice. But the bare roots just didn't make the grade. They took the opportunity to make themselves a name and blew it. Sure. I'll plant the pitiful sticks and in time maybe get some nice roses. But every time I look at these guys, I'll think of those 300 employees that are counting on this company surviving, and the managers who did me, and those employees wrong by shipping out crud.

Hope everyone is having good luck with their J&P's....I have been a J&P customer for over 20 years and have never had a problem with their roses or service--until this year...I even used to grow Test Roses every year (back when it was free in the 1980's)for these folks.... Having moved to a new residence in a rural area, I am starting over with a blank canvas....I decided to plant a few of my old tried, but true favorites like Our Lady Of Quadalupe, Black Magic, Outrageous, and ordered a few of the new roses...I have mixed reviews on all of it.... I ordered my roses way back in February and due to poor planning, management or whatever they are doing at the "new" J&P, I just plopped my final rose into the ground about 2 weeks ago (early June)...Like many of you, they could never tell me when I was going to get my roses or provide Tracking info...and, the roses always came later rather than sooner...In the old days, most, if not all, of my roses would have arrived together in one or two boxes...now, they come sporadically, not when you expect them, and some are less than expected compared to what J&P used to ship out....not liking the new J&P too much...I was sent 2 roses (New Generation roses) that were only 4 inches tall....a couple others had canes that had cuts, gashes, peeling on them....another was a tree form instead of the shrub form I had ordered...a couple had cane dieback already which, after pruning, resulted in only 2 healthy canes.....some of the roots were covered in mold when they arrived....some canes were completely broken but still attached to the bush...one had a gaping hole at the graft site....the list goes on......*sigh*.....Living in the country, my options for roses and variety are severely limited unless I want to plant Lowe's offerings (which were not being taken care of properly and were already exhibiting Blackspot, Mildew and some Rust)...I opted for mail order from J&P since I've had good luck in the past... When I called about all the problems I was having, I was told by the "new" people that I should go ahead and plant what I had and to report any problems within 30 days....apparently, the guarantee has shrunk...lol...in all fairness, though, they did send me out a replacement for the rose tree that was supposed to have been a bush and they replaced one of the 4 inch bushes with another bush...I have to laugh though....the replacement was not much better...it was about 6 or 7 inches tall leafed out...and, by the way, my "free due to error" tree rose is puny, puny, puny...60 days after planting, still hasn't set buds and is barely larger than a softball...With 3 more roses still out on the table and waiting, I decided to call and cancel those last 3 because they still were not showing as shipped early June....too hot, humid and brutal to try to plant any later than Memorial Day here...I had to fight with the Rep to get the order cancelled even though their transition of ownership and computer system had already occurred the week before...I just flat out refused to pay if the roses arrived anyway and warned the Rep that I would Refuse Shipment if she doesn't cancel the order....after a few back and forth comments, she finally found a way to cancel the 3 roses... Anyway, report any problems ASAP or I suspect you will have a battle on your hands....As of this writing, I have one rose that is questionable on thriving...it's just sitting there, green but not growing in height, yet the rose of the same variety and next to it is gaining height and blooming just fine....two others are still so small in statue that I wonder if they will make it through the winter....one seems to be finally awakening and leafing out after 2 months of just sitting there naked....90 degree heat helps I guess....All roses have been fed and watered as I have done for the last 20 years, but it just seems that everything I received this time from J&P was much, much smaller, less hardy, and maybe even a little sickly....it appears the folks who harvest the bushes are not careful at all...Very disappointed and will be looking for a more reliable mail order supplier for my purchases next year.....It's a shame because J&P really used to have great roses, variety, and customer service.....Not now! Good luck!

My first (and so far only) bare root rose experiences came from Jackson & Perkins. In 2019 I purchased 30 bare root roses from them. They did have a double credit processing snafu, but cleared it up in a few days. I made a few mistakes. (1) I purchased too many roses, (2) I did not prepare the site beforehand, and it was already late in the season (end of May, Zone 6/7). (3) I did not realize how big bare root roses' roots were. All these culminated into rose abuse. The problem is I lived with my exbf at the time so after soaking I had to squeeze the roses' roots awkwardly in nursery pots until I could transport them to my house. Because they were so big, some of the roots were not fully covered with soil since they barely fit in the pots and I had a finite amount of soil to distribute between 30 roses, I had a few 5 gallon pots but tried to use 3 gallon pots if possible since the 5 gallon pots ate up the soil. After finally getting the roses to my house a week later I urgently wanted to plant them, but instead encountered heavy clay soil which made digging laborious and time consuming - luckily my exbf grumpily dug a ton of holes in the ground for me, as well as wheelbarrowed a couple yards top soil in (I wanted compost but the place I went to ran out) - which would have taken me days or weeks, and by that time the roses would have surely died. Several did die - 5 of 30, but I never contacted J & P because I felt like it wasn't their fault since I abused the roses, and because they had a great sale then. But this means 25 survived, and the ones that initially survived survived thru 2 winters. And several are crazy bloomers. Anyway I just got more bareroot roses from them, this time properly planting them soon after arrival, learning from my mistakes. If any die from this batch, I will surely contact them esp bc they were full price. But here is Cherry Parfait from the first May 2019 batch, this is 2 years later in May 2021.

Or, you have spider mites or something sucking the sap from the foliage. It more resembles that to me than RMV. Though this is only anecdotal and not "scientific", Ralph Moore, who operated his nursery (Sequoia Nursery) for 70 years and grew roses for nearly 90, stated several times over the many years we were friends that he had never been able to transmit RMV via any method other than grafting/budding. And, he TRIED. He was also able to maintain roses free from viral infection for over half a century, even when grown closely with obviously infected ones. Dr. Walter Lammerts, who raised Queen Elizabeth, explored radiation effects on roses and shared radiated plants of Queen Elizabeth and the radiation induced mutation, White Queen Elizabeth with Mr. Moore. He had rows of easily 7' tall bushes of them. In the adjoining space, he grew numerous stock plants of his Pink Clouds which he used for the miniature standard stocks. it's the stock upon which Burlington Roses buds the majority of the budded roses she produces and all of the standards they sold at Sequoia for decades. That Pink Clouds was virus tested in the last year or so and found to be clean. While viruses may be 'tricky', in roses, they are much more difficult to transmit than some would have you believe.