Newly planted Reine De Violettes dying?

14 years ago

Hi all,

I need help as I'm new to growing OGRs and am at the point where I will be planting a bunch of new plants. Got a few from ARE. They looked fine. Got Reine De Violettes in the ground (it did stay in the pot the longest out of the 3 but not too long - a few weeks at most) All the canes are dying back. I've been cutting them off as they die back. Not looking good. Confused as to why it happened. Should I not have cut them back? I cut them and the interior of stems are brown or heading that way.

I will be planting the following so any help would be appreciated as I'm new to these kind of plants (I've planted mostly HT's, Floribundas and Austins til now):

Cornelia (HMusk)

Baron Girod de Lain (HP)

Clementina Carbneri (tea)

Baronne Prevost (HP)

Souvenier De La Malmaison (Bourbon)

Zephirine Drouhin (Bourbon climber)

Sophie's Perpetual (China)

Cels Multiflora (tea)

Thanks! Stasi

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vuwugarden

13 years ago

I'm sorry, Stasi, that you had a bad experience with one of their customer service reps. He was probably in a grouchy mood, but that is no excuse for him to not be of service or at least remedy the situation better.

FYI, I would take the fall shipment option as it is getting quite warm here in Texas. I donÂt think transportation of any rose would do well in this heat, especially all the way to California.

It would probably be good for you to call back to speak with a manager to voice your dissatisfaction. I would get the managerÂs name and have them record your conversation in their books so that by fall, the replacement order will go out smoothly.

I wouldnÂt give up on ARE though, as they are one of the few OGR vendors that provide larger own-root roses Â Roses Unlimited as being the other.

Audrey

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catsrose
14 years ago
My first thought would be a watering issue--did you water it too much or too little while it was sitting in its container--or even since it has been in the ground. Second would be a freeze. Did it get left out during a freeze, especially if its roots were wet. Are the other plants doing fine? There is no special trick to planting OGRs, so either the plant arrived with problems or you id/didn't do something. Cutting back dying canes shouldn't be a problem. If it is an own-root, I would cut it all the way back to where the canes are healthy.
jerijen
14 years ago
Contact ARE.
CALL them, I think.

Tell them the whole shipment is great, and doing well, but that this one plant is dying.
Ask them about a replacement.

They're good folks, and when I had a problem long long ago, they took care of it without a murmur.

Jeri
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I second catsrose questioning to you on the watering issue. I found keeping the potted roses well watered a task one cannot take lightly, well, any potted plant, especially bands.

If your climate or weather has been like mine, mid 90Âs with heavy winds, no rain for weeks, itÂs crucial that you maintain a diligent watering schedule for potted plants as well as the ones in the ground the first couple of weeks, longer if your spring/summer is hot and dry.

Can you do the scratch test to see if the rose is still alive? Scratch a stem until you see green.

Also, make sure you utilize the replacement option from ARE within the 6 months window and keep the tag that came with the rose. I remember ARE asked for the tag when I had a problem with one of my orders. It wasn't a dead plant replacement, but a mislabeled plant replacement.

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Best of luck to you,

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rosymominzone9
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14 years ago
Hmmmm. Not sure what is going on. One of the 3 is excellent. Leafing out totally no prob (Marchessa Boccella). The 2nd (Paul Neyron) is okay, the majority is not suffering from dieback and is leafing out, but is having some dieback. Mind you - these were the 2 that got in the ground first.
The last, Reine De Violettes, is really dying back. I've cut it all the way down with about an inch or two sticking out of the ground. Pure sticks. It seemed to happen very quickly by the way (that surprises me). It definitely took a turn for worst after planting in the ground. Weird. It was stressed or something.

So I don't think it was underwatered. If anything it was wetter then - but I just don't think it was over or underwatered. I was watching my roses carefully. Perhaps too much rain.

I will contact ARE but was hoping to give it some time. Maybe I'll give ARE a heads up so they know (so I don't miss the 6 month mark if too much more time passes, plus don't they stop sending roses soon?). The flowers did make the trip to CA from TX - maybe it got stressed? They had to go thru some plant immigration thing (as I call it) :-)

Stasi
le_jardin_of_roses
14 years ago
Stasi, I've had the same issue. I ordered RDV from ARE and I kept it in the pot it came in, since it was so small. I kept it well watered. Not sure if I over-watered. I have never had a rose die on me before, but all the canes died back. I was bummed out about it. Oh well, maybe I'll get them to give me another Duchess de Brabant in it's place.

Juliet
rosymominzone9
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14 years ago
Their last ship date is 5/24 according to their website, so you might want to get in touch soon! I sent an email tonight and will follow up tomorrow with a call.

My plants were totally stripped of leaves when they arrived due to Agriculture inspectors out here (or there? Is this common??? None of my other plants have been stripped of leaves, but they were smaller bands from closer states or in state) Were your plants nude upon arrival as well? :-)

I think the transport, stripping and transplanting caused it not to survive/do well. The plant had been clearly stressed somewhere along the way, perhaps repeatedly. Perhaps the trip was stressful. My 2nd plant is only doing "ok". Only 1 of 3 is doing what I would consider well.

They don't seem to have RDV on their website so I'll get something else (oooh. opportunity to shop! I may add to the order like a true addict). It's ok. It happens. This is the first time I've ordered from a state farther away then Oregon though (I live in CA).

Have others had problems with orders from farther states? Is the trip just too much for the plants?

Stasi
jaspermplants
13 years ago
I have had mixed results with plants from ARE. I ordered several last fall and most of them died, I still don't understand why. At the same time I had ordered plants from RU, Vintage, Rogue Valley and planted them in similar conditions and they all did fine (even though most were bands). I did get some replacements from ARE when requested but still don't know what happened that these died. The ones that died were mostly teas and a couple noisettes, which normally are pretty easy to grow in my climate.
jerijen
13 years ago
The only time we ever had a problem of that sort was with roses from Hortico.
They apparently had sat somewhere in a freeze, because when they reached us, everything in the box was dead, blackened, and slimy. :-(
(No, they did NOT replace them.)

Jeri
rosymominzone9
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13 years ago
Hmmm...interesting. Will call today, get replacements (hopefully!) and a couple more and see. If this order does not work, I probably won't order from them again. It's kind of weird considering the roses are bigger - I would think they would be able to tolerate a bit more.

Stasi
rosymominzone9
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13 years ago
Well, not happy with ARE right now. I called and they can't replace RDV because they are out (I understand this) and want me to wait til the Fall and send in the tag in the meanwhile.

I asked for a replacement and he just "referred me to their policy" and said they were in "extra innings here" (I assume weather is hot too now and they might not be able to send, but it just wasn't handled well).

I don't think I'll be ordering from them again. Too bad, cause I was ready to order some extra roses with the replacements but he pretty much lost that sale too!

I still think the stress of the transport with THEIR particular roses may be not good for CA though I hear the Roses Unlimited doesn't seem to have this problem.

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