Juno -- Hybrid China

faeriegarden

14 years ago

I just bought Juno from Vinatage Gardens. Sort of an impulse buy.

Does anyone have this rose? Is it large? I have a very hot garden, should I give it a little shade in the afternoon?

Photos?

Any information at all?

I don't actually remember ordering it so that is how much of an impulse it was

I hope it will grow here

Gloire des Rosomanes does do well here

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jerijen
14 years ago
It's a Hybrid China, so the problem likely isn't heat in summer, it's making it think it has winter chill.

It won't need as much as a Gallica, but . . .

And, yes, Gloire des Rosomanes is a magnificent rose for this area.

Jeri
faeriegarden
Original Author
14 years ago
We do have a couple of roses that go dormant in the winter so maybe it will be OK

Oh well - we'll see. I like to push my zone a bit so maybe I can find a good place for it.

I shouldn't impulse buy but I wanted 2 other roses and then at that point you're paying shipping for 4 so it seems a shame not to buy 4, and then all at once I've become a hoarder, but instead of a 40 pack of toilet paper it's a 4 pack of roses, or two.
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Mad_gallica, this kind of info is helpful. Perhaps it isn't a zone 5 rose (I'm zone 8). What do others have to say? There's a lovely photo of 'Juno' at Hidcote Manor in Phillips and Rix's 'The Ultimate Guide to Roses' and they say kind things about it. Melissa
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If I'm remembering certain things correctly, and if I understood what I read in the first place, the history of what is commonly called 'Hippolyte', is even more confused than that of 'Reine de Violettes'. There was something about the rose that was being called 'Alice Vena' turning out to the same as a 'Hippolyte' imported from Europe, and who knows why they had the names they had in the first place... and currently 'Alice Vena' isn't at all the same rose as 'Hippolyte' and doesn't seem to be the same 'Alice Vena' as was described in that article, and the word 'thornless' is conspicuous by its absence in any of this. It is good to keep in the back of your head that in the mid-20th century, when most Eastern found roses went into circulation, that they didn't tend to use study names, but very badly wanted to connect historical names with living roses. It started with Mrs. Keays, who was dealing with a distinctive enough set of roses that she could get away with it, but when it wandered off to the cold climate once-bloomers, things got hairy. The contemporary descriptions of so many of these roses are practically identical. Gertrude Jekyll, who knew and understood roses, had Village Maid and Rosa Mundi hopelessly confused. You won't confuse photographs of those two, but the written descriptions are a different matter.
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melissa_thefarm
14 years ago
I'm glad to hear all this about 'Juno' because I have it from cuttings a friend gave me year before last. So far it looks happy, and I'm glad to hear it can take summer heat!! I didn't know it was a Hybrid China. Winter chill is no problem.
Wanting a lot of roses is one of the more innocent forms of obsession.
Melissa
mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)
14 years ago
It's not a large rose. It prunes down nicely to the listed 4 x 4. The flowers are light pink and packed with petals. I don't seem to have any pictures. I took some good ones before the digital camera, and those don't seem to have made the transfer to this computer.

Here, it seems to be a bit fragile. It's not really a cold hardiness issue, though the Maine nurseries used to list it as a 5b rose, and I tend to agree with them. It's just not a vigorous grower, suckers a bit, a very good characteristic since it's in a bed next to the house. and isn't a particularly good bloomer.

This is the only picture I could find
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rosa_crazii
14 years ago
There is a nice picture on page 61 of the "Roses" book by Roger Phillips & Martyn Rix. That picture is what made me want this rose. Mine is still a little baby.
Sheri
faeriegarden
Original Author
14 years ago
Thank you all for your great help. I guess I will leave her in a pot and then if by some twist of weird climate luck she does OK we can plant her later.

I am a sucker for any rose with a button-eye so I am sure that is why I ordered her, must pay more attention to my surroundings.

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