I have TG and she does sulk in July/August in my yard, but then puts on a fabulous fall flush. But in your zone, you'll probably get flowers on her all winter.

I don't know how all of the roses on your list will do, but I grow Christopher Marlowe in nearly full-day Phoenix sun. As long as the roses get water but not fertilizer when the temps are high, they hang on. We know not to expect great blooms and fragrance in summer but spring and fall more than make up for it. In addition to Iceberg, I grow Fair Bianca, an Austin, Fabulous and Pillow Fight which I think are great white roses for my climate. FB less-so than the other three.

Out of your list I have
Crocus Rose - It does great here, lots of blooms, definitely a shrub rose.
Christopher Marlowe - This is its second year and it blooms profusely, it does need support or it will be on the ground like a landscape rose. So far it looks dainty, we will see how it does when it matures.
Lilian Austin - Is new this year so I haven't seen it bloom yet. Everything else in my garden is already blooming so I hope this is not an indication of how it is going to do.
William Shakespeare - It got a rough start in my garden but the blooms are very pretty. It did not bloom very well last year, so I will have to see how it does this year.
The Generous Gardener - It is one of my favorites, gorgeous color on a nicely shaped plant. It stays upright and doesn't arch like some Austins do.
Heritage - Another favorite, the scent is amazing and it blooms all season long. It does get really big here in So. Cal.
I also have Fair Bianca and it is really pretty, one of my favorite white flowers, it is also very dainty but beautiful none the less. It has a very strong scent that smells like licorice. Another good one is Golden Celebration, it is a bloom machine. Can you tell I like Austin Roses? One thing they really do need is a lot of water and food though, but they are well worth the effort.

Of your list, I grow 'Heritage' here in my garden.
It has done very, very well for me. But I positioned it where it gets full morning sun and early afternoon sun, then complete shade from about 2:30 PM on.
It's planted in great, rich soil, and I give it plenty of water.
It deserves that prime real estate because it's a real beauty, with a unique fragrance & is almost thornless.
It repays me with a constant flow of delicate, perfectly shaped blooms from spring to first freeze.

Randy

I have several of the roses that you chose and this is my experience in growing them in a climate with a hot and dry summer:

Crocus Rose: No experience
Christopher Marlowe: The blooms are gorgeous, with the fragrance of fresh fruit. The blooms are heat resistant and tolerate the hot summer sun well.
Lilian Austin: No experience
William Shakespeare: I'm assuming the 2000 version and not the 1987. Wonderful rose. Blooms profusely and they maintain their blood-red color in the height of summer heat.
The Generous Gardener: No experience
Heritage: Great rose. However, I agree with what Randy said. May not be suitable for areas with very hot summers because the blooms will literally bleach out and shatter in no time at all.
Teasing Georgia: Great rose in hot situations. The blooms are heat resistant and they don't bleach out and shatter too quickly.
Anne Boleyn: No experience.

Enjoy and good luck. Like you, I also can't resist the Austin roses. Fortunately, their introductions in the last couple of years seem to do well in areas with hot summers.

Jeff

I've grown over 10 different Austins in Zone 10 and all of them are excellent! Go for it.

When you say "hot", how hot? 80's, my Austins are fine. 90's and 100's, the flowers are toast--lost a lot today, it was 94.

Well I'm hoping not, I planted four of them this spring that gives me five Austins total:)
The one on your list is William Shakespeare 2000.

Hoovb:

I feel your pain. Today, I remembered why all summer long last year I plotted to replace them. Tomorrow is even hotter, What ever that did not toasted will be tomorrow. Well I will post a picture of a very nice dry rose arrangement.

FJ

Get ready for big plants with stingy rebloom. The transition from England to So Cal leaves most of them wanting.

maele.

I have grown many Austin varieties in hot dry central CA, but not the ones on your list except for Lilian Austin, which is excellent and Heritage, which I didn't like. the color of Heritage fades badly and the flowers last on the bush for about a day, if that. The bush grows very tall and large. I love what I call roses with attitude, but I need better blooms to justify the space a bush takes in my yard.

I have learned from painful experience to plant Austins no later than April in my climate, and fall planting is best. I also have learned that if I want good rebloom in the summer, I must irrigate throughout the winter.

I had quite a few Austins at one time but most of them have died or been shovel-pruned. I still have a few that are hanging in there, and the bloom on some of them is incomparable while it lasts ... but the way I got over my Austin heartbreak is that I planted some spindly little cuttings of old tea roses, and those are so huge and vigorous and happy and covered in blooms year-round that they are not only choking out the sickly little Austins, but making me wonder why I cared about them in the first place.

I do miss Pat Austin, which had the most gorgeous flowers. They absolutely fried any time the temperature got up over 90 degrees, and the whole thing died during an April heatwave two years ago, but it was lovely while it lasted.

Get ready for big plants with stingy rebloom. The transition from England to So Cal leaves most of them wanting.

I would totally agree 100% with this concerning the older Austins, say circa 1998 and before. The newer ones are more compact and rebloom is excellent. DA's market has expanded outside of the UK and since about '98 he's introduced many roses that are more appropriate for warmer (if not oven-like) climates.

In their catalog they have a list of roses for hot locations, did you look that over? I got Carding Mill because several people recommended it'd do well in hot areas. I also did plant all mine back in Feb. it's going to be in the 90's today here.

Here is a link that might be useful: David Austin roses for zones 9-10

It's not on your list but Carding Mill in my garden of 85 roses did better during the summer than even the tea roses. It never stopped blooming and the leaves didn't crisp. I have no idea why it outperformed the other Austins I have and everything else but that's what happened. I'll be curious to see whether it repeats that feat this summer. It would be well worth it to try this rose in your garden, assuming you like apricot roses.

Ingrid

Thank you, I am so excited to try your suggestions! But not too much because I know it might not work out as some of you have said.
I'm afraid that if I protect them from the sun, they won't bloom, so I'm just going to edit the list and have at it, if they can't hang then too bad for them. I never thought about waiting til the fall, if I'm able to hold out that might be a good idea. If I can't (most likely), then maybe containers in the shade this summer, and moving to their final spots when it cools off.
FYI, I am studying your answers very thoroughly and I appreciate all of your help. I am kind of new to this and superexcited to be learning so much.

okay, new plan. I came home yesterday to find everything burned to a crisp, and droopy stems on the Ruby Meidiland. So, I am getting trees! Yes, trees for the roses, that way I can expand my "prime real estate" and grow even more roses!

Trees? You mean rose trees or shade trees? Shade trees are not rose-friendly, IMO. They take the water, the soil, the light and the food the roses need to exist. Now if your neighbors to the west plant trees, that's a good thing.

I don't think I ever caught what area you really live in, just general other than zone 10.

Do you have other roses than Iceberg and The Ruby Meidiland?

Do you have any areas that do get some natural shade from the hot afternoon sun? How hot is hot in the summer for you?
Les

I live about 20 miles east of downtown LA in an area of California called the San Gabriel Valley, and it get gets hotter than LA but a little cooler than the Inland Empire.
Still, the few days that it hits 100, plus a few weeks in the 80's/90's, fries almost all the plants. Cinco de Mayo holds up to the heat but fades quickly once the temps hit 90 or so, also Angel Face. Nothing fazes Iceberg, (did I mention how much I love Iceberg?)
In my parents garden, everything burns, including Gold Medal, Gemini, Mr. Lincoln or Chrysler Imperial not sure which it is, Honor, Pascali, Whisper, Brandy, but I think JFK holds up. Perfect Moment, Double Delight (or Cherry Parfait not sure), St. Patrick, Tropicana, and Showbiz do fine, and also an unknown dark pink rose that looks like some type of HT.
As for the trees, my neighbors to the west have solid shade that hits the middle of my yard by 2pm, is that too early for cutting off the sun to the roses? I am hoping to find trees that give dappled shade, and then planting the roses about 15-20 feet over, and the shade tolerant ones closer.
My yard is still a work in progress, so I'm trying to add to the collection a little at a time. I have Iceberg, Angel Face, Cinco de Mayo, Cl. America (still new), Ruby Meidiland, and The Fairy.
My list for this weekend includes

Brass band
Livin' Easy?
Trumpeter
About Face
French Lace
Margo Koster?
Cafe?
Hot Cocoa?
Imagine?
Red Fairy?

Legends and Stainless Steel or Angel Face for my mom. Also if I change my mind about About Face, to my mom's graden it goes.

I'm thinking about Piñata for a climber hoping it's prettier that Joseph's Coat.

I'm also searching for a russet or red mini for a dark clay pot, so I'm trying

Cherry Hi
Warm and Fuzzy
Coffee Bean

plus 2 more since the shipping charge stays the same :)
Gizmo and either Sweet Chariot or Magic Carrousel.

Anything I don't like, to my mom's garden it goes, since she loves miniatures and, more importantly, is not picky like I am.

What I need to do is shovel prune this list! Any bad experiences with any of these are totally welcome.

I live about 20 miles east of downtown LA in an area of California called the San Gabriel Valley,

*** Maele -- I grew up in the San Gabriel Valley, and it is prime rose-growing territory.
Congratulations!
I learned to deadhead roses in my grandmother's Temple City garden, and I still think that area is rose heaven.

Someone this past weekend mentioned that roses needing 8 full hours of sun every day doesn't take into account our long, often HOT California days.
A little afternoon sun can be a great thing, and we find that some of our happiest plants get either morning or afternoon shade.
Please avoid that clay pot!
Or if your heart craves it, plant a rose in a plastic pot which will fit inside it.

Some may disagree, but DH and I have found our Austin roses to be our THIRSTIEST roses (and we have grown many Austins). We are presently preparing for the water rationing which is in our future, and Austins don't fit in that.
Some will remain: Golden Celebration (which should love your area) and Prospero -- but I will never plant another Austin.
I need roses which can handle a little tough love. :-)
If you'd like to consult a little more specifically, feel free to send me a private message.
I can put you in touch with some SGV Consulting Rosarians.
:-)

Jeri Jennings

The Austins do really well in my heat as long as they get a lot of water. When it is really hot no rose is going to look there best. I am just happy if they survive the summer. Because our winters are so mild that is the best time for rose growing here where I live. It sounds like you are not giving them enough water. I have Heritage and Teasing Georgia they do fine in the high temps. The blooms do not look the best but, none of the roses do in 120+ temps. Like I said above I am glad if they survive the summers and they always do. The austins do really well in the heat alot better then the Hybird teas do. Where you live(and I know where that is, I grew up in that area) is nothing compared to my temps so I don't understand why you are having a problem. I think you are not watering them enough. In the heat of the summer I have to set my sprinkler system to come on 3 times a day for approx. 20 mins. We get temps up to 120+ in Jul & Aug. Teasing Georgia is my fav and I must have Anne Boleyn that is a beautiful rose. The Austins grow very large here in the Arizona desert and stay very healthy BUT WITH LOTS OF WATER!!!! With lots of water you should be ok.
Good Luck,
Carrie
(Rose Forum member since 1987)

Maele: You are not far from the Huntington Gardens and Library in Pasadena and the Descanso Gardens in La Canada Flintridge. They have the same climate as you do and they do grow David Austin roses in their show gardens. I would visit or give them a call to find out which Austin roses they recommend for your area. Huntington Gardens has its plant sale on 5/16 and 5/17; maybe they will have Austin roses on sale too.

Jeff

I really wanted to go to Huntington right after the scorching monday we just had, but they are closed on tuesdays. At least I have something to look forward to on my next day off, I haven't been there at this time of year and I'm sure it will be beautiful.
As far as the watering, I don't think it would help with the blooms, would it? But I'll check the folks' timer just to be sure. My Meidiland is getting repotted to a bigger pot this weekend, so that should help with the water retention.
You are right, Jeri, the SGV does have beautiful roses everywhere, my family always comments on that when they visit from out of town. And yeah, I think that the roses that will do best in my yard will have to survive a little tough love once they get established. About the full day of sun recommendations, I figured it can't possibly apply to my area, but I just don't know how much is enough. The water is also a consideration, so I will probably limit the Austins to the cooler areas of the yard, which are limited. The clay pot I was talking about is treated with that waterproofing stuff on the inside, but I'm still putting a plastic pot inside.
Does anyone have sprinklers that spray the roses, or do you drip just the base of the plants? I see that the water tends to run off the flowerbeds, but even professional landscapers still install spray heads around here.

In your climate, sprinklers that spray are fine. In fact, they will wash off fungal spores. If you can have them water from underneath, that's great.
But you'll have to think about when to have them start and stop.
DWP is about to rule no sprinklers going after 9 a.m., until 4 p.m.
DO NOT let the leaves sit wet overnight -- you could have them come on just at dawn.
But it's not an efficient way to use water, and with the cost of water about to go up radically, that becomes an issue.

Jeri

In coastal Orange County, I used to grow a lot of Austins. Most did fine. One of my favourites was Heritage... but when I planted it I had NO idea how big it was going to get. By the end of its first year it was over 8 feet tall! The next winter I cut it all the way back and moved it to a spot where it could go crazy and it loved it. A great rose, but for me it did get some PM and rust.. so watch out for that.

Heritage:
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I hated Teasing Georgia.. it put out long thin spindly canes that couldn't hold up the fairly unimpressive flowers. I put it on a trellis and that helped, but if I had stayed in that garden I would have replaced it with something else.

My favourite yellow Austin Jude the Obscure. It does really well in a warm climate and has the most heavenly, delicious, fruity scent. A fabulous rose.

Jude the Obscure:
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Charles Darwin for me was strong, well scented, and had a lovely yellow that faded to a soft mustard. I loved it, but many people don't like the colour as it fades.

Charles Darwin
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Molineux was a bloom machine, and was really the first rose that smelled like tea to me... I couldn't believe it... it smelled just like tea, I finally understood!

Molineux:
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I loved William Shakespeare 2000. He has a wonderful scent, blooms well, and the colour changes to an AMAZING deep purple/pink. One of the best Austins in my opinion.

William Shakespeare 2000:
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I haven't grown the other ones on your list, but I did just visit David Austin's gardens a few weekends ago, and they had The Generous Gardener growing all over the place. It is certainly a favourite rose there. They had it growing as a climber most of the time, like in this photo (it's too early for blooms here, but you can see the potential for this one to turn into quite a climber, that's it on the right):

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I think you'd be wise to take the good advice you've seen on the forum and visit the gardens near where you live and see which plants seem to be doing well there and consider getting them; but also, I recommend that if there are some roses that you're dying to try and they make your heart sing when you look at them, go ahead and try a couple of those too. Every garden is different, you might get lucky... or you might wish you'd listened to others, but I think it's a matter of taking a few risks for the sake of love now and then.

Happy gardening!
robert

Hi everyone, and thanks again for helping out a newbie! It was too difficult to decide between Prospero, The Prince, Tradescant, and Falstaff, but I'm sold on WS2000 for my one red this year. Also, I hadn't even considered a yellow yet, but after the rave reviews, Golden Celebration will be the first. And since I can't resist The Generous Gardener, thanks for the pic and the heads up on the size. I was just dreaming about going to England just to see those gardens, what a coincidence!
I'm also tempted by Carding Mill, Evelyn, Abraham Darby, Crown Princess Margareta, Lilian Austin, Tamora, Christopher Marlowe, Anne Boleyn, Jude the Obscure,
and I am definitely getting either Crocus Rose or Fair Bianca.
Alas, Jeri is right about the water, it is a huge consideration here, so I am definitely not getting as many as I would like. (sigh)
But my parents have a damp spot in their garden...

And speaking of coincidences, I just started a journal/gardening blog, and the last 2 entries were titled "You Make My Heart Sing" and "Tough Love". If you don't believe me, check http://www.ilovethembutikillthem.blogspot.com/

Happy gardening to all!

After the recent 4 day heat wave, Molineux's huge flush was untouched, while Sophy's Rose and Cressida were toast. Some toasting on WS2K and Golden Celebration, but the rest were pretty much fine.

Expect the first couple of years to have poorer results, with blooming shutting down during July/August. As the roses become more established they can withstand the heat better.