Pegging Gertrude Jekyll
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Gertrude Jekyll, Winchester Cathedral, and Tess of the D'urbervil
Comments (9)Mike, we don't get ANY fall bloom. Oh, that would be nice. The rose season begins here with Rosa xanthina. Then, Harison's Yellow and Therese Bugnet. After that, the main rose flush, albas, centifolias and damask. The War of the Roses seems to occur about the Fourth of July. In July, Dr. Van Fleet and American Pillar bloom a little on whatever growth made it through the winter. Zephirine Drouhin starts to bloom then, too, and was going to bloom in September, but the buds froze. Quatre Saison loses its canes down to a foot but re-grows quickly and blooms all summer. This got me thinking that maybe I could find some repeat bloomers that would re-grow and bloom on new wood, extending the rose season out to the end of the summer. So far, red roses are not in the future, it seems like. Gruss an Teplitz and Alfred Colomb are toast this spring, but alive, I think. My science experiments with Bourbons and hybrid perpetuals are mixed. They seem to need balmy ocean breezes or shade. I need to get around to doing some winter protection. Lavender Lass, all of my albas are doing well. Chloris, Alba maxima, Alba semi-plena, and Konigen von Danemark all get about five feet here. Madame Plantier is about as tall but wide. It throws out long, loopy canes that dangle on the ground. It should have been planted in an obelisk or something....See MoreMary Rose vs Gertrude Jekyll
Comments (11)With respect, the rosarian at Austin does not live on the California coast. I do. I've not grown all of these, because I took the pledge on Austins some years ago, having squandered more money on them than I care to think about. But of the ones I can speak to: Gertrude Jekyll -- Inland people force repeat bloom by re-pruning brutally. and feeding mightily. I don't know any Austins that tolerate that treatment at the coast, however. Othello -- is a lanky thorny mess with awkward canes to a good 6 ft. In Coastal Southern California, it was sparse of bloom and inclined to rust unless sprayed. Blooms, when they appeared, were on short stems, and wonderfully fragrant. Tamora -- Does it rust more than it mildews at the coast? Or does it mildew more than it rusts? Difficult to say. The Pilgrim -- Will grow 18 foot long canes and bloom at the vine-like attenuated ends. Breathtaking bloom. The plant is too much trouble to bother with, unless you just need something to do with your time. Mary Rose -- Blooms as a "cropper" but will repeat well if deadheaded. It grew here as a 5 x 5 "ball" of a plant. Decent mildew resistance. Not much rust. Completely clean if sprayed. Not a lot of fragrance. L.D. Braithwaite -- Striking "Christmas Red" blooms on a plant that will go chlorotic if faced with alkaline conditions. Mildews just enough to be annoying. Rusts late. Can grow as a 12-ft-tall climber in Southern California. Vigorous as all getout. NO fragrance. Winchester Cathedral -- Said by many to lack vigor here, and that was our experience. If you want a good BIG Austin, plant Golden Celebration, which excells at the coast. (Don't prune it hard.) If you want a CLIMBING Austin, plant Abraham Darby. If you want a small bloom machine, plant Prospero, and don't prune it. Just MHO. Jeri Jennings Coastal Southern California...See MoreOn Gertrude Jekyll: What Is Your Experience With It?
Comments (19)IMHO David Austin has made a grave mistake by not promoting RADIO TIMES more to his U.S. customers. I get the impression from his writings that this cultivar isn't as good a performer in the UK. Pity, because here across the pond it is one of the few Austins that can be kept as a medium sized shrub (with pruning). Repeat is reliable and the disease resistance is on par with the rest of his collection. The color is a rich pink, a bit warmer in tone than GJ. While the fragrance is not quite as strong as GJ, it is still "strong" and will please any parfume junky. I consider RADIO TIMES and SHARIFA ASMA to be the best pink Austins available for the American rose gardener. The only vendor I know that sells it is HEIRLOOM ROSES (heirloomroses.com). Please note that what they sell are "bands"; i.e. rooted cuttings. I can't stress this enough. The plants are tiny. On the plus side they are guaranteed to be virus free. I've always had success with them but put this disclaimer in simply because I don't want you to be shocked when you open the box....See MoreDA roses have octopus arms?
Comments (21)I don't know for sure which of these are Austins without looking them up, am about some. Crown Princess Margareta - 6 of those, yes, needs a lot of room, probably should be pegged or let climb, shoots out long canes, some short, and Jap beetle fav. I'm getting rid of them but want to enjoy one more bloom cycle next spring when they're best. Thorns are so bad I'm tired of trying to keep the weeds out, can mulch but want the space for more perennials. Pat Austin - no but mine is not very robust and blooms shatter quickly, some still droop after first flush but gorgeous gorgeous otherwise. Another Jap beetle magnet. Hyde Hall - yes but maybe because it doesn't get quite enough sun. It also has one cane that is too tall and thick, should have pruned it down last spring. Enfant de France, no, got too crowded, didn't notice in time, shovel pruned it, sad because it was a beauty and reasonably hardy here. Geoff Hamilton, no not at all, vase shaped, but is too tall for where it is, puts out pretty blooms but sporadic Dark Lady, yes and no, think part of it stretches out for more sun which is very close to her, excellent rebloomer and Jap beetles bother it one of the least. Charlotte, no, gets the most sun but another Jap beetle magnet, am keeping those two awhile longer, have to prune them back more than I'd like because they grow over the sidewalk, try to keep them tied back. Wisley, no, either not very strong or most blooms droop, constant rebloomer. Miss Alice, a dud, pretty peach but flat ugly blooms, probably doesn't like being so close to the French drain. Evelyn, don't remember about her, didn't do much this year, beautiful last year. Rosemoor, no but not doing much at all That's it for the Austins or ones I'm not sure. Haven't posted much lately but I have two Hettie, love my clones of her more than the photo at RVR, am going to try to move or make her happier. She's not winter hardy but springs back quickly, got a couple canes come up through my clem that exceed 6'. Awakening, don't know what I'm going to do with those, good rebloomer, Jap beetles love it and would move it to where it could climb better but think the canes, though winter hardy to some extent, will never top my arbor and live. My conclusion is that if you are going to grow Austins, they need lots of sun and space, difficult to interplant with perennials, and if you do, they should be the kind that are shorter and scramble/fill in. With most of them, it's my inexpertise but I think some of it is I'm not going to do the kind of spraying you have to do to have nice roses around here except for ones like Carefree Beauty. This year was horrible for lots of new problems, too much rain, and just about every rose but the once bloomers got blackspot. One huge once bloomer got that or something similar and lost most of its leaves. The other once bloomers? Not a trace of it yet. Odd. But they take up valuable space to only bloom once then add no interest to the garden areas. I'm really disappointed in my venture into roses except for very few, don't have the right kind of yard for them. Plus I would never buy any grafted roses again even though the own root take longer....See MoreLisa_H OK
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