Anyone grow climbing "Coral Dawn" & "Royal Gold"?
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Comments (19)Mortimer Sackler might work. When grown as a climber, its longest canes can reach 10-12 feet, according to the David Austin website. The David Austin website says only that it's "hardy" without giving a zone number. Unfortunately the Help Me Find site lists only default information, so that doesn't help. One thing to consider is that the cement in the porch, as well as the nearness of the house itself in keeping that cement somewhat warmer during the night, might make for a slightly warmer winter microclimate in that spot too than in the rest of your yard. Mortimer Sackler does have some shade tolerance as well as being very low in thorns. It tends to grow rather narrowly upright, also sending out some long, fairly flexible canes that would be good to wind around your pillars. Plant the two roses near the porch and maybe 24-30" to the sides of the posts away from the center, and pull over the canes that want to grow long and help them go up the pillars, probably allowing whatever canes that want to stay shorter remain on the bush to look nice on a lower level. If you are concerned about how you'd paint the posts later, then put up a large-holed decorative metal chain in front of (or slightly to the outside edge of) each pillar. Use a large hook eye to hang it from at the top so you could unhook it and gently lean it out from the pillar to get the paint on the wood when you paint. Use the chain to anchor tie spots you can use to attach the rose to loosely, zigzagging it with as much horizontal action to the outer sides as possible. You might want to get a very long large hook eye to anchor this chain on the ground end too, to keep the rose reasonably steady, especially during periods of high winds. It might be possible to make this work more easily by using two chains for each rose instead of one, and that probably would work just as well in terms of appearance during the winter (or probably would look better). If you didn't like the way it looked or worked, then just take down the chains, and trim the rose's longest canes back slightly into a bush form. The limited amount of time I've had with Mortimer Sackler here in zone 7 doesn't make me an authority on this for your area... but it might be a decent guess that Mortimer Sackler would work out pretty well for you. I do like Mortimer and it stays healthy without needing to use chemical sprays. Assuming you decide that you like Mortimer Sackler after investigating it, you might consider buying four of them, not just two. Use the other two in front of the posts at the two ends, and you'll end up with blooming all along overhead and a sort of open hedging at the base across the entire front. Mortimer Sackler for sure does want to bloom, and for sure it will repeat bloom well in zone 7. If I ever buy another Mortimer Sackler, I'd buy it from Roses Unlimited, where it is available as an ownroot plant (within the "English Roses" group there). Ownroot is also a good idea considering your hardiness concerns; in the worst winter some year, you might have to cut out some dead wood all the way to the ground. With an ownroot, what comes back will still definitely be Mortimer Sackler. If you do go with the 4-Mortimer Sackler scheme, you might also consider planting a small line of low-growing hardy polyantha roses with contrasting color just in front of the Mortimer Sacklers. Some ideas: White Pet (Little White Pet), Baby Faurax, Marie Pavie, Margo Koster. Best wishes, Mary Here is a link that might be useful: Mortimer Sackler information (shrub use size given)...See MoreClimbing roses for Florida
Comments (6)Hi there! I just HAD to post b/c I am in north-central FL too! Where are you located? just curious... Anyways, we have 3 climbing roses. Candyland, Angel Face, and Royal Gold. Candyland is the BEST by far!! I highly recommend this rose. We bought it bare-root last March and planted it. It is currently around 8 Ft. or so, maybe taller. It is healthy and blooms all season. Last month we counted over 50 buds. It has multiple blooms on each cane. The whole thing was covered w/ roses! We just fertilized it for 2 months in a row and now it has tons of green growth, which I think we need to slow down on that.... Royal Gold has been a dissapointment so far......There are hardly any flowers and when it does flower it blooms so quick and the petals fall off fast! Forget it withstanding any rain! We have an Angel face with a few flowers on the side of the house, it was supposed to have been a Blaze, but they tagged it wrong! :( It's pretty healthy but just doesn't compare to the Candyland climber!! It's raining outside right now but I will try to post a pic later..........See MoreNeed Climber: Climbing La France or Viking Queen?
Comments (16)I grow Blossomtime no spray in BS paradise...it does really well. I love this rose. Viking Queen is so new to me that I dare not comment. I would like to toss into the considerations Kathleen Harrop (pink version of Zephirine Droughin). She is thornless and, for me, fairly resistant to BS. I would pair a clematis with her to cover up some naked knees. The fragrance is too die for...one of my absolute favorites. I'm not sure about her rebloom potential in your zone. She does NOT get enough supplemental water where she is in my yard. If Zephirine reblooms well in your area, I would imagine Kathleen Harrop would too. Another rose to consider is Compassion. It is pink/apricot/yellow based...high centered...lovely. Lavender Lassie? Robert...See MoreDoes anyone grow cane hardy Dortmund?
Comments (55)Gorgeous pictures of your Dortmund flowers, as well as the ones from Cleveland, Mmmm, if my Dr. Huey could look that good he could stay in my yard. Well, actually I do have him more or less deliberately climbing around my mailbox that gets totally swamped by a vigorous white clematis. Since we're all relatively cold zone rose growers musing about roses for various spots, I'll throw in my two cents. Realize of course that I do NOT have reliable snow cover and our wicked swings of temperature in the winter (and even down to 17 for a few days in early April this year) do in a lot of roses. What doesn't thrive for me might do fine for you. Dortmund I haven't grown because he didn't trip my buttons yet till I saw Flowers' lovely pictures and heard that he blooms all season. He's now working onto next year's possible list. Among the ones that have been mentioned, here are my experiences: Leonardo da Vinci - tall and narrow in a way that might suit that space instead of Dr. H, but not thornless. Mine is mostly cane hardy in z5, but doesn't bloom as often as I'd like (also in part sun at best though) Raspberry Cream Twirl might be a shrub in someone's z5 garden but has never survived even in my virtual z6 with pampering Victorian Memory - planted it once a few years ago and it didn't overwinter but I'm thinking that has to be a fluke (z2 rated for heaven's sake) so I'm replacing it this year Zephrine Drouhin - I have tried this one a couple of times including my protected spot and it never survived the winters. Even when happy I've heard it's a virtual once bloomer Candy Land, cl. - like RCT I can't get this one to survive even in my protected area and if it did I can't get it to climb Fourth of July - took a couple of tries to get this one to "take" but in my protected spot it's heading into its third spring with a good 6-8" of surviving cane and should do better by next year. Reine des Violettes - I've had "not RdV" for about 10 years and it is a thorny once-bloomer. If you want a thornless climber I think this is absolutely your best bet, just be sure to get the real RdV. Matt has contacted me and says he's now sure he has the real thing. Mine was a small band of the real RdV a few years ago so it's just now starting to reach for its supports to climb. Jeanne laJoie - I had her climbing for years on a shepherd's hook in my z6 area and she'd reach a good 6-7' by the end of the season. She mostly bloomed in June though, even in max sun, and I never got much rebloom. She faded after about 6 years and I tried replacing her, but other roses took priority Lunar Mist (and its cousin Colette) - I've been a fan of Lunar Mist ever since it has staked a modest claim on fence area near Lady Ashe. It has a little surviving cane most years and can get to 8-10'. Not quite arch-worthy, but somewhat better survival than Colette and in harsher conditions too Lady Ashe - I like this rose and it can get to a decent 6-8' on a good year. I have mine in a particularly harsh spot that's more z4 than 5. She can die to the ground some years, but she and Dublin Bay have hung in there for a good 10 years so they earn their space. I like the color and bloom form but neither gets all that big. Coral Dawn - this is a sport (I think) of New Dawn so it has some of the same benefits and down sides. Oddly enough this one was a body bag and has survived Ok for me, climbing to maybe 5' by the end of the season, but I've never been able to get New Dawn beyond about 3' and it always eventually dies on me. White Dawn however I have planted grafted from about 3 years ago and it's a good 4' wide and 5' tall and counting in a prime location with some nice blooms. Peggy Martin - that's one I haven't grown and I had hesitated because it has a reputation as a once bloomer, and there are prettier flowers on some other once-bloomers I've coveted. How is the repeat on yours Vapor/Flowers?? She's definitely a survivor. and your recommendation is compelling Felix LeClerc - you know by now that I LOVE this rose and it's one of the first to start and last to stop. Not nonstop blooms but I have photos from every month from its start in late May through November. Absolutely cane hardy and delightful dark purple-pink double blooms. Mine is a huge 10' "self supporting" shrub because I planted him too far from the fence, not knowing he was a climber at first. I have a 5' ring fence around him that keeps him more or less upright but I wouldn't recommend him for that small space. Mine keeps trying to eat the gateway to my neighbor's yard Purple Skyliner - I could never get this one to survive which puzzled me because Veilchenblau is such a trooper, though Yesterday isn't very hardy so maybe that's it Clothilde Soupert, cl. - my regular Clothilde is about 8 years old and blooms off and on with more or less surviving cane. If any rose will ever ball in your yard, CS will so don't plan on having open blooms unless you have a pretty dry climate Quicksilver - Moses just sings this roses' praises but I've tried about 4 times, grafted and not, and I can't get it to survive more than a year in a typical zone 5 spot. I'll try her again next year in my protected spot, but I don't expect it to climb even there Angel Face cl. - given that climbing versions of roses are usually less vigorous than the originals I have trouble imagining what climate this one would climb in, since Angel Face has a reputation for being a wimp even in California. I have one that just barely survives in my z6 area and can bloom occasionally at 6" but not remotely vigorous. Poseidon is what you want for a tall lavender in our cold climates. Crimson Glory - this one bloomed for several years grafted in a normal spot but I haven't been able to replace it successfully. I only have the HT not climbing form. Buxom Beauty only grudgingly survives in my zone 6 areas now and then Handel - I had this one on the side of an arch for about 10 years and it would get to about 4' or so by then end of the season. Not that much bloom and a relative wimp compared to other Kordes roses. Antique 89 is a little better at having surviving cane in a similar color range, but not a frequent bloomer Paul Jerabek - I have asked Roses Unlimited for this rose for about 6 years, and they never have had it in stock. A lot of Jerabek roses do well for me - Paw Maw isn't in great conditions but it has hung in there for about 4-5 winters. Have to try Freedom Gardens Lady in Red - this one looked so nice in its first year that I had high hopes but even in our last mild winter it had no surviving cane and might not have survived. Florentina can beat this rose in every way and it doesn't usually have much dieback Pinata - I used to grow this one as a knee high shrub when I had it grafted but I haven't been able to get it to survive own root even in my most protected area Altissimo - looks to have survived the winter just fine, but only in its second year so no particular blooms to speak of Oranges 'n' Lemons, Sexy Rexy, Olympiad - all of these survive reasonably well in a normal z5 spot for me so it's definitely worth a go in z4 with snow cover Joe. Olympiad, Chrysler Imperial, and Veteran's Honor are probably my hardiest z5 HT reds. None of these get big for me though - 3' max Guirlande d'Amour - I love this rose and it's rock solid hardy for me even in part sun, but it gets huge - easily 6'X6' or more with blooms off and on all season. I have trouble seeing it as a traditional climber in my zone but I have encouraged it to be self supporting. Heavenly Pink is like this one, or Darlow's Enigma - they get big but it's hard to call them "climbers". Great and tough roses, even for z4! Super Excelsia - I tried this once in less than ideal circumstances and might try it again, but Peggy Martin sounds better from your reports Pinkie cl.- not remotely hardy for me in 5 or 6 tries, neither is Renae or sadly its lovely offspring Annie Laurie McDowell (too bad because they're thornless) Blaze Improved - never got around to trying that one, but offhand I'd say Florentina is prettier, and Fields of the Wood/Rhode Island Red is much more hardy. Not a tremendously frequent bloomer but mine has a good 6' of cane after winter and will be putting out laterals shortly. Rambling Red or Rhode Island Red can survive zone 4 winters and I had a Rambling Red in my z4 pocket in lousy conditions for years before it finally faded. Quadra is more pink than any of those climbers (all of them can pink out a bit in heat), and it's by far the most traditional climber and the best rebloomer by far. It's one of my two biggest climbers - the other is the "ground cover" Sunrise Sunset that gets positively massive. Both of those need a big arch, not just a trellis or single support or fence. John Cabot - lovely rose but also floppy and spreading, not a traditional climber. Mine is maybe 8-10' tall and 4-5' wide, with 5' fencing around it. I have mine next to the very similar Alexander Mackenzie, and AM wins in both size and frequency of bloom. They take a good 5 years to settle in and rebloom, and they do blackspot if you are prone to that in your zone Rosarium Uetersen is mostly cane hardy for me and would look nice against that brick. it's a pretty vivid coral and its spring bloom is nice, but I don't get much rebloom and mine is over 10 years old. It's really thorny too. Yeah, I know - here goes Cynthia rambling on about all these roses just because she's killed (or occasionally successfully grown) most of them. I'm happy to encourage you to learn from my mistakes. So what would I recommend for that spot mmmm? You might think about something tall and narrow that's self supporting since any kind of structure is going to jut out into your walkway. Offhand, roses that fit that bill in my yard would include Poseidon (lavender), Leonardo da Vinci (dark pink), Dark Desire (dark red), Queen of Sweden (light pink), and maybe Sweet Fragrance (luscious coral apricot) if you prune it in a bit. Another likely option is Aloha, which I have as a narrow self-supporting shrub with just a shepherd's hook for support. It reblooms well in medium pink and stays around 6-8' within a 3' radius. Polka is another climber that's entirely hardy in our zone, a wonderful dark apricot double, and it never gets very bushy. It mostly puts out a few blooms at the end of its one main cane. Laguna is a pretty reliable climber in dark pink and it doesn't get out of hand. Ascot is a dark red narrow columnar bush for me, though it gets huge for Diane in zone 7 Idaho. Two roses that get much bigger than the front of the bed where I put them are Champagne Moment/Lion's Fairy Tale (cream) and Dame des Chenonceau (pink) - I have them cascading over a low fence but they might stay in bounds with a tall narrow support. Petal Pushers is a stalwart tough little climber that J&P puts out that I've had for a good 8 years. It's mannerly and would stay within that area pretty well with a support, and it blooms pink off and on all season. So if you like the dark contrast of the Dr H but want rebloom, I'd go with the column-type Dark Desire, Florentina, or Rhode Island Red. Aloha or Lady Ashe would fit the bill nicely in the pink range, and Poseidon can take care of lavender while Lunar Mist takes yellow and Sweet Fragrance takes apricot. I can't think of anything remotely thornless though, and if Peggy Martin is indeed a thornless rebloomer and that's a priority, that's where I'd go (or Reine des Violette). The only other thornless hardy rose I can think of in my yard is Veilchenblau and there's no way he'd stay contained in that space. Just rambling myself, but FWIW those are my impressions Cynthia...See MorePrettypetals_GA_7-8
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