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october 2 - note the berries in the background.
Thank y'all for any help!
Dina in Pickens SC

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The first picture is Chionanthus, commonly called Grancy Greybeard. But the second picture looks more like Amelanchier, commonly called Serviceberry - however, the third picture (especially the berries) doesn't look like Serviceberry!

You certainly have two different plants.

I thought the second looked like Chionanthus virginicus as did the first.
This plant is dioecious so male flowers are on separate trees from female flowers, like most hollies, so fruiting will occur only on female flowered plants. If I recall correctly, the male has showier flowers.

Leaves on fringetree are opposite or subopposite and there appears to be both a northern and southern form for the two species, Chionanthus retusus ( non-native) and Chionanthus virginicus. In Dirr's book , the leaf shape is clearly different on the southern and northern forms. Chionanthus retusus leaf shape looks quite rounded on the northern form. C. retusus seems to have brown exfoliating bark.
Were there any labels with the trees?

There were no labels. The fist pix is the tree that is at the old homeplace, was there and very well established when we got the place 6 years ago.
The 2nd and 3rd pictures are of the same tree that I got at a fleamarket - the woman said it was grandfathers beard.

thank you esh & carol - I think you have helped me answer my questions. Y'all are the best. :)