Judith, I used to grow Mme AC. Mine was placed in sun from morning to early afternoon, and shade from mid-afternoon onward. It grew to be very large and robust. However mine was often very mildewed. I don't know if full sun would have helped. Some teas and noisettes just do mildew in my area. I have the noisette 'Narrow Water' in the same area and it stays quite healthy, so I think that exposure is fine for at least some roses of this class.

Rosefolly

Given Texas summer temperatures, I think afternoon shade would be a blessing. Even in SoCal, many roses benefit from that sort of placement.

I've observed that many roses which are anywhere from slightly to profoundly mildewy in California have no such problems in TX.

Souv. de la Malmaison, Mrs. Dudley Cross, and Old Blush, which are TERMINALLY mildewy in SoCal are gorgeous in central-to-East Texas, so I suspect Mme. Alfred Carriere (which mildewed slightly here, all the time) would do fine with morning sun in TX.

But I also think I'd ask this question of the folks at Antique Rose Emporium.

Jeri
(Coastal Ventura Co., SoCal)

Judith, I had my Mme Alfred Carriere in a place that didn't get much sun until afternoon and she didn't do well at all. I moved her over on a fence that gets sun all day, including our dreaded Texas west sun in the afternoon, and she seems to love it. My problem is keeping her inbounds, so last spring I pruned her unmercifully down to about 6 canes and pruned the laterals to about 4". She responded with new canes and lots of blooms and within a few months was out of control again; did the same thing this spring. Give this girl a of room (which I didn't do, naturally!)

Good luck!

I have to admit- I don't like noisettes. They all look the same to me and I can never smell them. I LOVE tea noisettes. But the tea noisettes, almost without exception, all grow for a few years just beautifully and then croak. I have tried hundreds of dollars of them from 2005 till now and the result is always the same. Ive lost some of the most beautiful roses! Your garden may be different. I've never figured out why they do this. I can grow other roses, even spotty ones, just fine.

I have Mme. Alfred Carriere, my very favorite Crepuscule adn they are still with me after years [going to transplant the Madame tomorrow - dont think she gets enough sun]. Strange yours are not long lived.....I would like to get a few more noisettes - I love my Blush, Natichitoches and Champneys Pink Cluster. Just not sure if they could stand the brutal Texs sun...

Just to clarify - it's only the Tea Noisettes that aren't long lived in my garden. The noisettes get along just fine, but I don't have that many of them.

The noisettes in my garden (hot southeast Texas) are placed as follows:
Blush Noisette-afternoon sun..doing great
Natchitoches Noisette-Mostly filtered sun..doing good, but blooms less than the ones placed in full sun
Jeanne d'Arc-full sun all day...doing great
Fellenberg-full sun all day....doing great
Haywood Hall-filtered sun....doing great
Speaking for my own experience with noisettes, I feel they bloom better and have more foliage with full sun.
Molly

We have had lots of rain and I hope tomorrow to be able to move Mme. Alfred Carriere - after reading these posts, think she will do better with more sun. She is alive, getting taller but no leaves, they are just starting to appear. I bought another for $5 in Chamblees sale yard when I was there last week, so will plant it and Nachitoches Noisette in full sun. My Blush Noisette which is climbing a pillar in front of my horse barn gets good filtered light and is just loaded with blooms now. It has NN completely beat for amount of buds. After last summer's brutal heat - I have worried about placement of these roses, but after reading these posts - am going to plant in sun, mulch well and hope we dont have a repeat performance of last summer.

cweathersby, don't feel alone! I have had the very same problem with the Tea Noisettes in particular for decades. They grow and bloom magnificently for a couple of years, and then go into "suspended animation," followed by slow die-back over several years. Tough guys like 'Gloire de Dijon' still try to come back, sending up new canes; but they die back in the second season. Heart-breaking!--and I've finally given up on them. Teas grow magnificently; and a current 'Desprez a Fleur Jaune', though hesitant in growth, hasn't shown the characteristic die-back. The roses showing the problem have come from many different sources over many different years. I don't know if the problem is something in the soil, or some disease which specifically harms them but which other my roses carry (and so gets passed on the to the Tea Noisettes). A few of my non Tea-Noisettes have also succumbed to this mysterious malady. Bah!