Nope. I said the yellow/orange Tea Noisettes struggle badly here. The only one that really does well is Reve d'Or.

Jaune Desprez -- It's struggling. Good disease-resistance. Little bloom.

Manchester Guardian Angel is enough rose to take over the entire City of Santa Barbara. It is quite disease-resistant, but it also set new standards for quantity and viciousness of prickles.

I would not try William Allen Richardson here. Crepuscule, even budded, has not gotten over 15 inches tall.

Jeri

Thanks Jeri!

I must have gotten that backwards. I thought you said to stay away from the pinks because they mildew and stick with the yellows.

Big is one thing, house eater is another.

Back to the drawing board

In a previous, also dry and hot inland garden Crepuscule and Jaune Desprez did very well for me, although JD did not have very impressive flowers, but it was a young plant. Both were very fast growers, with Crepuscule being the more chunky of the two.

If I like a rose and it does well for me, I often have two, although not in the same area. Is that something you might consider? I personally love Reve d'Or.

Bouquet d'Or and Madame Berard are two roses that I would consider also from your list.

Ingrid

No. Kippy is located in the same sort of mild coastal area as I am. I would NOT plant Bouquet d'Or in her area.

Ingrid -- Have you grown 'Marechal Niel'? He's a miserable failure here, but I have known people who have had WONDERFUL luck with him in the Valencia/Santa Clarita area -- which is the edge of the desert. He might be lovely for you, too.

Jeri

Thanks for the info Ingrid.

Poor Crepsucle is still in a 1g pot waiting for me to get the nerve to plant. I read what Jeri has to say about how small hers stays and plan on one spot and then I read some one else's post about how big it is and the first spot is just not big enough for a big rose.

I was hoping to order from either Burlington or Greenmantle since they are both small nurseries in CA. I have a list for Rogue Valley as well since they have more of the Cochets.

I was already thinking about putting in a second Reve d'Or up at the house where my unhappy Golden Celebration and Lady Hillingdon are now.

I think I will keep looking for soft yellow-peachy-pink fragrant climbers for this spot. It is in the center of citrus trees and just upwind from my medicating-hollering-cussing neighbors. Just keep thinking that the soft warm colors will make this area a more inviting place to stop and sit awhile.

Jeri, why do you think makes these tea-noisettes are unhappy here? Is it too hot-cold-damp-sunny-shady or do they just dislike our soil?

Any thoughts on Moore's 'Yellow Sweetheart, cl'? Looks like it might be a winner for that area

This post was edited by Kippy-the-Hippy on Sat, Nov 2, 13 at 21:43

Moore's rose might do just fine. Or not. In my experience, most of Mr. Moore's roses like a bit of heat. If you've ever spent summer days in Visalia, you'll know why.

And the answer is that I do not know why that is the case (with regard to the yellow Tea/Noisettes) -- but that Kim told me long ago that those roses need heat -- and indeed, it has proven to be so. Since I don't want to go live where it is hot, I'll just have to live without them.

If you read information from the late 19th and early 20th centuries, written for California gardens, you'll find that they say that Marechale Niel, in particular isn't worth growing unless it is budded.

Let's face it -- it is far cooler along our section of the coast than it is even a few miles inland. I bet I could grow those roses to advantage in Fillmore, or Piru -- but I cannot grow them well in Camarillo.

I quit worrying about that years ago. There are so many roses I CAN grow, it seems churlish to whine about those I cannot.

Jeri

How would Arethusa, the yellow/peach china do, I wonder? It can get pretty tall, I think.

Kippy, do you grow Lamarque? It isn't yellow, but it's healthy, vigorous, wonderfully fragrant, flowers all the time, and if you'll be at the VCRS meeting on the 21st where Burling, Clay and I will be demonstrating propagation methods, I can bring you one. (it's the Atmore Lamarque, the one propagated from the historic Ventura County plant) Also, if you're ready to try them, I can bring cuttings of the Marie Pavie X Mutabilis seedling you found interesting. Kim

Lamarque is an EXCELLENT rose for our area, and it is a proven performer. The Atmore Lamarque has grown in Ventura County since 1869.

Jeri

Kim, I will definitely be there on the 21st! And I would love the cuttings of the Marie Pavie X Mutabilis and Lamarque.

I had picked where I want two very special roses, we want to build a smaller sized garden shed with an attached smaller greenhouse, using salvaged windows and siding from our old shed. On the front I want a nice arbor that I can grow those two special roses. Lamarque on one end and Sombreuil on the other. I have two other roses in mind that I want to see how they look with the wood one to go in the center and the other under a window wall.

I think I will go plant Crepsucle today and see if she likes the west facing slopes here better than she likes Jeri's Camarillo hillside. Moms side of the hill is much warmer than the neighbors side, they get the morning sun and we get the rest. Her side of the hill is almost always 10 degrees higher than what the weather guys list (taken too close to the beach at the airport)

That might work -- and what the heck, I think it's always worth trying, if you really want something.

Jeri

Who knows? Guess there is only one way find out for sure right.

If disliking the area holds her to anything between 2.5 and 6 feet I am good

Jeri, I'd always heard how difficult Marechal Niel was and was afraid to try it. Now I have no room anywhere but otherwise would love to try it, especially after seeing Daisy in Crete's gorgeous specimen. My prime goal now is to baby Cl. Lady Hillingdon who had some setbacks after being moved from against the wall (too hot) to the opposite side. It's now finally putting out new growth and I can't wait to see its performance next spring.

Ingrid

Well, it's too bad you don't have the space, for I suspect it would love your heat. Isn't that always the way things go?

:-(

Jeri

Tomorrow, Tomorrow.....

I got busy with other things and Crespucle did not get planted again.

Tomorrow!

Sheila, I think that would be a killer combination. The Marechal has a certain quality that's so enticing, and your picture is lovely. Perhaps I need to experience him before I die. I feel the same way about getting another Reve d'Or and am now also considering Mel's Heritage. I wonder which of them would prosper best in full sun in my overheated oven.

I have the Rose Petals Marechal Neil, also. So far it's growing like a champ, but all of the flowers have balled.

No balling here. I have MN, Mel, and two varieties of Reve d' Or. My FBPT is growing well. We are not getting any younger.

Sheila, you're making me jealous! My FBPT was bought as a band a few months ago and it is just sitting there, not even the tiniest bit of growth. I'm going to show it a picture of what it should look like. I thought it would take off like a rocket, given the monster plants I've seen of it here. I think the roses take one look at what I'm offering and go into a snit.

Ingrid, my FBPT came 11/15/17 from RPs and was in a pot until one month ago when I planted it in a hot spot inside my courtyard wall. Mine bloomed in the pot and now has about 10 buds on it a month after planting it the ground. It is looking healthy. My Mel's Heritage came from Burling the same time as Florence and went into the ground a month ago as well. I think it is a fast grower. It bloomed 4 blooms after I put it in the ground. Also a hot spot. I think both of these will do well for you over time.

I think MN, FBPT and Mel's all like heat, Ingrid. I think there is hope for yours being gorgeous.