what do you think of these teas?

13 years ago

I'm considering getting some teas for the garden I'm putting in at my church.

What do you think of these teas? I'm specifically looking for black spot resistance, amount of bloom, rebloom, fragrance and over all garden performance.

I'm looking at the following:

Mme Charles

Souv. de Victor Hugo

Rival de Paestum

Comtesse Riza du Parc

Le Pactole

Thanks. Jeff

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sherryocala

13 years ago

Jeff, here's a thought. Since you're trying to convert folks to OGRs, one factor may be early growth habit. Some teas have a really awkward look for the first few years. The Cochets come to mind. Two and a half years later MC is still a very open bush, big-boned and gawky, but maybe this spring's pruning (though mild) will help that whereas others are finer caned and more graceful. This angular gawkiness may be a little off-putting to some since they are not fanatics like us, willing to tolerate some unpleasantness for the sake of future greatness. (Maybe you could post a sign, "Judge not, lest you be judged. Mt 7:1".) Of the teas RP has Rosette Delizy, Mlle F Kruger (though she has veggie centers) and Mme Antoine Mari had decent early shapes. I have a baby Alex Hill Gray and Mme Lombard, and though they look like they're going to shape up nicely, it might be too early to judge. Early and mature growth habit could be factors that folks can comment on.

Sherry

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jerijen
13 years ago
Jeff, I can't answer many of your questions, but 'Le Pactole' in my Coastal Southern California garden is a Magnificent Monster.
GIVE HER SPACE! For us, she blooms well through most of the year. Once-mature, she is resistant to both powdery mildew and rust -- blackspot isn't our issue.
She's a dependable bloomer, and in my mind a garden star.

Just -- Give Her Space.
She's a big plant.

Jeri in Coastal Ventura Co., SoCal
collinw
13 years ago
I second Le Pactole. Performs well here in Birmingham, Al.

I would also look at William R. Smith.
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harborrose_pnw
13 years ago
Jeff, how did you come to pick those particular teas? I've seen pics of most of them, but don't know anything personally about them. I'm just intrigued by your selection.
gardennatlanta
Original Author
13 years ago
Thanks for your input. I keep hearing good things about Le Pactole but I'm a little concerned about how much space she'll take up.

Paula, I picked these because they have them in stock at Rose Petals Nursery in FL. I'm getting a couple for my garden and thought why not add a few more and donate them to the garden at the church? Nothing exciting, just reality.

The descriptions and pictures on RP's site as well as on Vintage and HMF looked good so I narrowed the list down to these few.

There are others I'd like but that aren't available now (William R. Smith, for example)and I'm determined to start off slow. I might only end up getting a couple of these for now.

I feel like I'm introducing a large group of people to the world of Old Garden Roses. I want to make sure I choose carefully so I really appreciate your help.
greybird
13 years ago
LePactole is one of the workhorse roses in my garden that can be counted on for health and continuous bloom. The cold winters keep it a nice size, about 5'x4' upright vase. Blooms straight through the tremendous heat of Tx summer.

You won't go wrong on choosing LP. I don't know about the others in your list.
jaspermplants
13 years ago
I have Souvenir de Victor Hugo as a year old plant it is very nice so far. Slow growing at first but is now taking off. Very healthy and blooms alot. Very pretty, full blooms. No disease at all but Im in the Phoenix area and we don't have much here except mildew. None of that on this plant.
I also have Mme Charles and really like her. She will probably be a tall plant. Also no disease and very healthy. Blooms are beautiful.
gardennatlanta
Original Author
13 years ago
Sherry, Interesting idea. I talked to the guy who handles facilities and he's all for small plants that cost less but grow over time. I specially asked him about buying larger plants that would make it look more filled in and mature much quicker.

I'm thinking of posting a sign that says something like, "We're all a work in progress, this garden is just like us" or something like that. I haven't figured it all out yet.

Greybird, I'm glad you chimed in. With your collection of teas, I was hoping you would.

Jasper, I think the pictures of Souv. de Victor Hugo are beautiful. Lots of bloom would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your input.

I'm thinking of just getting a couple of these now and some more in the fall. I'd like to put in an arbor and really want Cl. Mamam Cochet on it. It's not available until August. That way, I'll have time to get the arbor up and besides, there might be others available by then.

Jeff
sammy zone 7 Tulsa
13 years ago
I grow Rival de Paestum, and it is very pretty. I grow it across from 2 Duchers, and they look good together. I don't spray, and it seems healthy and clean.

Sammy
sherryocala
13 years ago
You're sign is excellent, Jeff, much more sensitive than mine. :))

Sherry

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luxrosa
13 years ago
I collect Tea roses for it is my favorite class of rose and I've seen and documented info on all the Teas at vintagegardens.com at their home garden. I reccomend two roses on your list; Le Pactole and Mme. Charles.
I think that "Le Pactole" may be one of only half a dozen most beautiful remontant white roses in the world and I plan on growing it again.
"Mme. Charles" is one of a small group of the most beautiful pink blend Tea roses.
The other Tea roses on your list are not on my "Must Have" rose list, their flowers are too demure for my tastes compared to more opulent Tea roses.

just my opinion,
Luxrosa

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