Blanc de Vibert is gone. Bloomed nicely in spring, but no repeat, and the flowers are coarse compared to the Mme. Hardy that was right next to it.

Eugene Beauharnais (Vintage sold it to me as La Grand Capitain) is going to the cemetery. It's in a really shady spot and I only get a decent spring flush, nothing else.

Scentimental is going to be SPd, too - has RMV and the blooms don't hold up well.
Anita

I don't know if I've EVER killed a rose (though 'Perle des Jardins' is on Death Row): I give them away, or plant them in some remote corner to live or die as they will, and where I don't have to look at them. This winter we dug up three plants each of 'Parkzauber' (I think it is) and 'Duc de Cambridge' and planted them as part of a new hedge where a steeply descending field meets the road. Both are healthy, vigorous, once-blooming varieties. 'Parkzauber' is a modern Moss with violently colored flowers; 'Duc de Cambridge' would be a star, were it not for its habit of proliferating blooms. I figure they'll anchor the ground just fine and entertain passersby. We've also stuck unrooted cuttings of easy-to-propagate, equally vigorous, large, once-blooming roses down there, and I intend to continue working on the hedge, and not just with rejects after this. The roses will love it down there, and all we'll need to do for maintenance, once they're grown, is cut them down once in a while. I have no intention of worrying about weeds.

My husband got most of my few Hybrid Teas and some puny David Austin varieties. Everything else stayed.

Melissa

Winter isn't over here yet, i'll find out by the middle of april, if not sooner.

"jumbojimmy" Can you give us the name of this supplier? So we don't also get burned.

Bella Donna nice enough Damask just not enough interest to warrant the space it took up.

Hi Senko,

I love too, but unfortunately I can't. I need to be very careful about what I write on this public fourm. I'm from Australia, and I don't know much about the legal aspects of revealing the names of suppliers that supply roses with RMV.

The last thing I want to happen is someone sending me a letter saying, "see you in court." LOL.

I love David Austin roses. I guess I need to keep trying to find the ones that don't have RMV.

Add me to the crowd that has removed Scentimental.
Ours was a good plant, but we can't spare it the space or water.
Blanc de Vibert left last year.
Polly Sunshine and Star Dust. Gone
Apricot Nectar (an old, virused plant, just worn out).
Apothecary Rose will go.
Paul Bocuse
Probably Panachee d'Orleans and Bourbon Queen.
Souv. de Victor Hugo.
Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne
A few more Austins . . .
I'm wavering on White Surprise. I love it, but it is huge, and vicious, and is in entirely the wrong place.

Jeri

One I hope is not dead (black canes everywhere)- Toulouse Lautrec. a great yellow, and the best cutting rose I have. Its own root, so I will wait a good long while before getting out the shovel. My perennial one on "death row", who always seems to get a reprieve from the governor at the last minute is Eugene de Beauharnais. It sulks in its pot, only to bloom like crazy for a while before reverting to a leaf less wonder. And last summer, it was actually a good performer most of the year.

Since I don't spray my roses, I got tired of too many bushes without leaves later in the summer. I also wanted to reduce my collection to help reduce maintainence in the perephery of my garden, so I was really tough this fall and eliminated more than the usual number. I got rid of some hybrid perpetuals that were blackspot prone -- Souvenir de Alphonse Lavalee, Enfant de France. English roses Rose-Marie and Scepter'd Isle, also prone to blackspot, were removed. Bourbons Mme de Sevegne, Coquet de Blanches and Mlle Blanche Lafitte were removed also due to blackspot. I'm "trying" to get rid of r. Virginia because it's a suckering monster that I can't keep in its alloted space, but although I reduced it by half in width, my back gave out before it did! It, unfortuneately, is very, very healthy and vigorous.

I love Park's Yellow Tea-Scented China. He's handsome but I never made the trellis I so foolishly thought I could could build, and my side yard is too small for this wonderful monster plant. Anyone traveling Tennessee on I-40 is welcome to him.
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remontant,
Wow...what a beauty.
Melissa

I used to have 270 rose bushes, and today, I reorganized my map, and have 180. Sadly 90 are gone, and about 10 more will go.

I don't have time to keep hoping that a rose that had black spot would recover and stop getting it. If others had problems with those that I had problems with, they are gone.

I have ordered 14 new roses, and may order some more. We gave up 3 large beds, and about 20 roses for the dogs. We transplanted these roses to other areas, but I had too much to take care of.

I still will have around 200, and that may be plenty. I think that if I fertilize them well, and keep the weeds out, the roses will become larger, and I won't feel the need to have more.

I just don't understand how the weather knows to get cold on the weekends, but be balmy and warm during the week. I can hardly wait for the time change so I don't freeze once I have been out for about 30 minutes.

Sammy

Similar to Lori, I am downsizing. Don't want to keep many roses that require spraying or stay naked
Mme Berkley - too much BS, gone this fall
Cecille Brunner- too much BS, gone
Jaques Cartier -virused, gone
Duchesse de Brabant - too much BS, gone
Fields of the Woods - too much BS, gone
Ducher - never recovered from spring canker, will be replaced
Gloire de France - almost killed myself removing this one. Too much BS, which is not acceptable, many healthy gallicas to replace this one.
Rosemary Rose - RRD, will be replaced
Magnificent Perfume- another big and beautifull, too much BS

Considering to remove due to BS problems, but my heart is bleeding :(

Radio Times
Tiffany
Allegra
Ellen Tofflemire
Blanche de Belgique
Laguna
Mme d'Enfert

Olga

Alcymist should go. Too much BS, not enough growth and flowers. Same for Lavender Lassie.

Sharifa Asma, Waldfee and Frau Karl Druschki got dug up and potted last fall. If they can't do something without the winterkill, they'll leave for good.

A rose pretending to be Blaze. That has in four years never once bloomed past the month of May. I'm out of patience.

Roemer's Hip Happy was new last year and a mildewy mess. Unless I am very impressed this spring its gone.

I didn't think much of either Cl. Cecile Brunner or Perle D'or this last year but they were both young and new to the garden so I'll give them a chance. It would not take a lot of urging though for me to go out and shovel prune either one or both. In fact I might rather enjoy it.

Kate

'Clotilde Soupert' went yesterday--too many balled, brown flowers.

Several 'Louise Odier' went to some new homes where I know they will be much happier with a bit of winter chill.

'Comtesse de Provence' because it was a poor specimen that always struggled--too bad, I adored the flowers. Perhaps I'll try another, but 'Lady Emma Hamilton' already grabbed the spot.

Well, Kate ... thank you for testing 'Roemer's Hip Happy'.
You saved me some money, because I had been tempted by that one.

Randy

So far, no one is on death row, but I'm not enchanted with Huilito which does bloom quite a bit but also balls more than a bit and is a gawky, awkward and spiny specimen. I'll see how it does this spring and act accordingly. I'm sure that Reve d'Or will be more than happy to take over its real estate and I won't need to get a replacement. Quatre Saisons is doing poorly, probably because I replanted it where it doesn't get enough sun but I'm not sure I want to put it in a more prominent position because the ones I've seen are not very attractive shrubs. The fragrance is wonderful though, so it will be a difficult decision.

Ingrid

What an education all this is. I feel sorry for the roses, but then it occurs to me that gardeners are simply doing what I earnestly believe in: developing gardens populated by plants that are adapted to local conditions.

Melissa

Randy you are very welcome. I remember you liked that one and put one of its blooms up for your most recent birthday. I will say that despite the mildewy foliage it did have a lot of adorable pink blooms. Very free flowering. Probably why I didn't get rid of it last year. I am probably going to get it into the ground this year and see if it shapes up:)

Kate

Remontant -
I agree with Melissa, that rose is beautiful! How sad that you have to let it go.
Laura

I'm losing my patience with Madame Isaac Pereire. Sparse blooms and takes up a lot of room. I'm thinking Pretty Jessica or Radio Times will look great in her spot.

A bush that started as a seedling about 5 years ago and has never bloomed.

I will also like to get rid of climbing Old Blush because it doesn't bloom very much but grows wild. I would like to replace it with something that blooms more.

I have come to the sad conclusion that it is just too much work to care for 60 roses. Time has taught me that having a bit of space between the plants makes the maintenance a bit more enjoyable. Last year I began a reduction program. All of my roses grow well and I like all of them....some of the time. Very simply, it is time to measure the effort vs. the amount of time the rose plant looks good.

I have removed about 15 so far, mostly HT's. Two of my three Sweet Chariots went this fall because they didn't bloom well during summer.

Mdm. Plantier met the shovel because the plant became an 8' wide giant with blooms that only lasted a few days, but persisted as brown crispies into fall.

For sure: Baron Gerod-BS, Prosperity-RRD, Ambridge Rose-BS, Therese Bugnet-can't control suckers in this location-I have 2 others that can sucker all they want, Danae-BS, Radux Bouquet-BS, Erfurt-BS

Possibles-Natalie Nyples-BS, Echo-BS, Mrs. RM Finch-BS, Marie Pavie-BS, Felicia-BS

Hurts-BIG TIME!

Barbara

Charles Darwin - didn't like the color that much, need the space for something else.

This have been quite interesting to know which roses are not right for each of you.

Erasmus, I was thinking of getting Charles Darwin. How does the color look in person? In the DA catalog it says it has the color of old-gold.

Melissa, you are so lucky to have the room on your farm to relegate your less loved roses to the far reaches of your property. That is a true luxury!

Chance

Hoovb - I love my Clothilde! I've had some of the balling you mention, but more often, the blooms to sometimes pink, sometimes near-white. And the fragrance is fantastic. Too bad she doesn't open up for you.

Nathalie Nypels, blooms are not impressive

Carla

Chance, Charles Darwin starts out a pretty old gold color but it fades so quickly to a pukey chalky milk of magnesia mixed with a few drops of mustard color. The fragrance is very strong and sweet, but seemed less interesting than some sweet fragrances. Mainly it was the color though, and the fact that I wanted the space for something else. Thinking of it as old gold makes me a little regretful though...
You might like it. It is definitely softer than some yellow Austins. The bloom shape is very pretty and rounded.

Katheryn Morely is gone, too little bloom and too much bush. Possibly suitable for a colder climate, but IMO, DA should never have released this one. Also on the way out is A Shropshire Lad, once blooming here with the occasional flower the rest of the year on an over large plant. Not even a decent fall flush. I cut down Pat Austen once and she grew back, I shall have to dig her up. Nice color, excellent rebloom but fades too fast and I can't stand the color of the faded blooms.

Constance Spry: Wonderful flowers but once and not a very long time; very large for a small garden; armed with thorns on long and sturdy canes which needs to be attanded and tied once a year on a ladder. But healthy plant.
nastarana: I am so disappointed about A Shropshire Lad since I am waiting for my order to arrive. How big does it get? I am planning to attach to a post for my pergola. I wonder if I could change my order. My decision was based partly on no/little thorns. Is that so? Someone had put a wonderful picture of it in bloom and raved about it. So I went with it.

Erasmus, thank you for the 411 on Charles Darwin. I am considering trying it, but admittedly, your opinion on it has made me hold back a little.

Senko, I have a two-year-old Constance Spry and this should be it's first year of bloom for me. I was told it is considered one of the most beautiful of roses and was worth it, even though it blooms once. How many weeks does it bloom for you?

Chance

Constance Spry is one of my favorite Austins. She does take up a big space -- one plant fills a trellis 8' tall and 12' wide and requires a lot of tying and pruning to keep her neat. Healthy and blooms last about 3 weeks here, depending on how hot it gets.

It's not an antique, but I'm probably going to either sp or move my Barbra Streisand. I have her right at my front porch and she was great until the Easter freeze in 2007. She has never really recovered. So I'll dig her up and maybe put her in a less prominent spot in the back. I have about 24 bands from last year in pots, so I'll have to think of a good replacement. I'm thinking maybe Pierre Notting.

Chance: My Constance Spry bloomed about 3 weeks, very healthy, it got about 8 feet wide and went over the top of 10 feet trellis. It kept sending new long canes which needed to be tied and pruned. Blooms are very beatiful, nice pink color. It is a nice plant if you can put-up with the pruning and have room in your garden. When it blooms it gives picture perfect show. Get your camera ready.

Lori elf and Senko, thanks for telling me some more about Constance Spry. Every photo I've seen of this rose has left me aflutter. I think despite the once-blooming she is worth it. I hope mine blooms like there is no tomorrow.

Chance

Out: 'Winchester Cathedral' -- a wicked, thorny mess. That rose is the DEVIL! 'Teasing Georgia' So-so blooms-not worth the space and water required. 'Pat Austin' I love the color, but the flowers shatter as soon as they open. Bye Bye.

In: 'Golden Celebration' 'Carding Mill' 'Jude the Obscure'

Faye

Abraham Darby for sure. I cannot grow this rose. I have tried 14 times. These last 3 I babied, and they are 2 and 4 years old, about 14" high and have some weird foliage thing going on. I don't know what it is about this rose. I know other people grow it so beautifully...Olga back east, Gail out here down the road a piece. I cannot, and it's outta here. That is the only rose I am not keeping. Everything else is okay or better.

...starts out a pretty old gold color but it fades so quickly to a pukey chalky milk of magnesia mixed with a few drops of mustard color...

And this was a problem? ;^)

Smith's Parish - too big already and only a year old. Very small, blah flowers - no red or pink in them in my yard. But a VERY healthy bush. Now Blumenschmidt will have a spot. Please don't tell me she's huge, too.

Sherry

hey, Sherry, that's not what I wanted to hear! Well, SP is going in the way back so maybe it will be okay. Gean

Sherry, I just ordered Smiths Parish...I was hoping that it would have the pink and red blooms in the cooler months....Does it bloom constantly? I was going to order Blumenschmidt but decided against it....

Gean & dallasguy, this may just be personal with me, but in my heat I think I saw one flower with red on it in spring and maybe a couple with a touch of pink wash. The foliage reminds me of a camphor tree, which to me is a weedy tree, and I'm afraid it was always green & healthy. At only a year old it is almost 5' tall, and it seems as though the canes have collapsed outward all of a sudden in a spreading fashion. I had been propping them up but recently removed the prop. It is in a very narrow space and simply won't work there. It bloomed quite a lot but not so's you'd notice. :((

The flowers are very, very small - half-dollar size is not understating them. Just not enough umph for the real estate. Now that my garden is FULL, I'm getting ruthless. I came across a Pink GaA on Saturday with yellowish canes and few leaves. Didn't hesitate - one shovel dig and out it came. Didn't even look back. Lamarque went in its place!! :)) If you've got lots of room or like that kind of flower, you'll love it. Also, in a cooler zone it may not get as big as it was going to here. And Jeri said cooler zones are good for the reds and pinks.

Sherry

I went on an SP rampage yesterday to remove dead and earlier modern rose impulse buys in order to make room for Spring:

- Henry Fonda
- Chrysler Imperial (I love this one, but tons of dieback)
- Joyce Barden (dead)
- Unknown $5 octupus shrub
- Color Me Pink
- Salsa
- Carefree Wonder
- Yellow Submarine
- Double Delight (again, tons of dieback)

Making room for lovelies like Marchesa Boccella, Rose de Rescht, and Ispahan :)

Eric

Sherry

Thanks for the info. As long as Smiths Parish is covered in blooms I will be happy. I am putting it in the back of the garden by a fence. I am hoping it will behave differently here since we do have some cooler weather. Does it have any fragrance?

dallasguy, I really never noticed any fragrance. Be sure to set it out from the fence - at least 5 feet maybe 6 ft - just in case.

Sherry

Thanks Sherry, It will be about 5 feet from the fence. I am putting it about 4 feet from "old blush". I planted old blush last summer and it is currently about 3x4 I have seen them in our area 8x6. I don't mind if they grow into each other as they are in the back of the bed.

Jeri, I have a "Pink Surprise" that is vicious, huge and in entirely wrong place also. I do love it and will just leave it where it is. I have a Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne that is in it's first year planted last end of August 2017. It is small. I started pinching buds, because it wanted to bloom, not grow. I do wish it would grow bigger. Did yours ever grow? I know you removed yours. Could I ask why?