Hi, Zyperiris, from your Poulsbo neighbor,

Below is a link to Woodland Rose Garden, a site maintained by an Ohio rosarian, Kent Krugh, with a lot of information about roses and shade. Click on "Roses and Shade" link there and you'll find some tables by rose type and name and references as to its shade tolerance.

One of the roses he recommends, Ghislaine de Feligonde, I grew up a pine tree in filtered shade; I liked it for its apricot blooms and thornless canes; it was easy to train.

Hope this helps, Gean

Here is a link that might be useful: Kent Krugh's Woodland Rose Garden site

This post on another thread is probably another answer to your question.

York, when I click on your link, I get "you may not edit another member's clippings." Can you please try a re-post in another way? Thanks.

Carol

Here's the address of the link. Try copying it and pasting it into your web browser:

http://clippings.gardenweb.com/clippings/?alias=york_rose&gwc_mode=edit&key=forums2.gardenweb.com_forums_load_rosesant_msg0223264126317.13

A lot of things will grow up trees, if you just put them near the tree.
We planted the double banskias -- yelo & white -- next to a 5-ft fence. They climbed the fence, leaped from the fence to a pair of ficus trees, and charged right on up, and out the top of the trees, from whence they drape back down.
So I'm sure Fortuniana would do it.
I've seen 'Mutabilis' climb a moderately-sized oak tree, blooming all the while in more shade than I'd have thought it would tolerate.
So I'm sure Smith's Parish would do it, too.
And I think Gean's right about Ghislaine de Feligonde.

Jeri

The name of the other thread to look for is "Barbier ramblers", a recent posting to the Antique Roses forums. I'll try adding the link, and maybe that will work.

Best wishes,
Mary

Here is a link that might be useful: Barbier ramblers

We have Madame Alfred Carriere growing up an old plum tree - it started out in fairly deep shade as that part of our garden has basically reverted to forest. It grew up to the top of the tree - at least 20 - 25 feet off the ground. We did nothing except plant it about 3 feet from the trunk, and put a little twine between it and the trunk. Up it went. We never prune it or feed it or spray it. It is just starting to bloom now, has a huge Spring flush, then blooms a medium amount all Summer, and stops in about November. Large white flowers that you can see from a long way off.

Jackie

In the wild, lots of roses start in shade at the base of trees and climb into the sunshine.
Some of my favourites that I have grown are;

Adelaide d'Orleans. Extremely pretty. It hangs it's flowers down, so that you can see them properly.

Bobbie James. Needs a largish tree.

Aimee Vibert. Unusual scent.

Francis E. Lester. Strongly perfumed and large flower clusters.

Filipes Kiftsgate. Needs a large tree. I have seen the original, at Kiftsgate Court in Gloucester, where it is grown as a free standing shrub. It is enormous.

Mermaid. Long flowering and vicious thorns.

Madame Alfred Carriere. Lovely.

The New Dawn. Smells strongly of green apples.

Paul's Himalayan Musk. Mine grew well in deep summer shade.

Rambling Rector. Lovely. Similar to Bobbie James.
Daisy

If you are not stuck on OGR's, Try Guadalupe Volunteer. Its a found seedling from the Heritage Rose Garden. It is planted under a walnut tree and is near the top. Once bloomer with a nice fragrence.

To get any rose off to a great start under a tree, plant it in a 1/2 whiskey barrel with the bottom cut out anywhere on the SE to SW side and filled with a good soil mix. Best, Nick

Thanks guys. I am excited now. I thought I had no places for OGR. Anyway, after that heirloom rose meeting last weekend and those pictures of roses in the shade growing into trees my brain went nuts. I am going to plant them in big pots as the soil is bad in some of these areas...I think I may go with MAC.

Fortuniana, Cherokee, Mutabilis, Lady Banks, New Dawn, Climbing Cecile Brunner, Zephirine Drouhin, Red Cascade and Peggy Martin will all climb trees with no trouble.

My friend Janet had a beautiful Lavender Lassie (hybrid musk) climbing up an ancient apple tree in her backyard. The old apple tree eventually died, and she and her DH had to build a very sturdy pergola to support LL!

Zyperiris, If you are going to plant some of the roses in large pots, remember that what goes up, must also go down.
The roses will climb the trees from their pots, but will not climb anywhere near as much as they would from the ground.
You could amend the soil heavily, and give extra food to compensate.
If you want them to climb some distance, they would be better off in the ground.
Daisy

I have Zepherine Drouhin cascading down from the top of a crabapple tree. Also have Mermaid draped through an oak tree, and Cl. Pinkie, MAC, and Veilchenblau in an apple tree.

I think the idea behind starting them in pots is to get them started without so much root competition , then eventually they'll send roots through the hole or open bottom of the pot. I had a large Lavender Lassie in a pot that had sent a big tap root through the hole.
Linda

The idea of an open bottom whiskey barrel is to get the rose off to a good start. The rose will eventually compete with the tree but will have a hand up getting started the first couple of years. I had a Mrs. Keays "Snow Bush" climb to the top of my 50' pear tree. The tree bloomed twice. After a dozen years, the whiskey barrel was only a mound of soil and a couple of rusted metal rings with Snow Bush and several thousand blooms above. I also would not just set a pot with a single hole near the tree. If I didn't use a half whiskey barrel, I would cut the bottom out of a 10 or 15 gallon pot and burry it a few inches, if possible. The only problem with a plastic pot is that it won't disintegrate like a wooden one. However, you could cut it away in 3 or 4 years and fill around the small mound with some rich soil. Good luck, Best, Nick

I have a beautiful Seven Sisters, an old rambler that I got because my grandmother grew it.

It's a once-blooming rose that climbs into my tree-sized crepe myrtles.

It's beautiful in the spring, when a casual glance makes you think the crepes are blooming in pink roses!

I've got the Hybrid Musk Cornelia planted near a very old pomegranate tree that barely produces fruit anymore but looks wonderful. We hope Cornelia will grow up thru the branches as the strawberry-coral blooms look very nice against the red-orange pomegranate flowers and ancient gnarled & twisted trunk. Cornelia seems to be very sensitive to wind and hasn't done well in the ocean breezes on my hilltop. However, she seems to like the warmer, that are sheltered from the breeze. There is a very long pergola at the Huntington Gardens in Pasadena planted with absolutely massive Hybrid Musks creating a rose covered walkway, so I'm hoping that Cornelia if warm & happy enough will grow into a big arching shrub-climber thru this declining ancient gnarly pomegranate tree

What climate zone is your garden in?
Mme. Alfred Carriere is lovely but it might be too tender for your garden, in our California coastal garden it mildewed so badly I gave it to my neighbor who sprays.

Although the Pemberton roses are not old enough to be Old Garden Roses, they are all Old Roses having been introduced in the first third of the 1900's.
"Cornelia" is a fine rose that is also somewhat shade tolerant.
Any rose grown in a tree must be shade tolerant, especially if the rose re-blooms after the trees' foliage grows out in spring.
Climbing "Cecille Brunner' is also marvelous, sweetly scented rose called the "Sweetheart Rose" and for a long time used as wedding flowers between 1880's-1940's, if my grandmothers memory is correct. I've seen one in a local nursery an "everblooming" climbing form that was introduced sometime around 1980 or 1990's.
My grandmother grew that rose in Seattle in the 1940's and it was the first rose I fell in love with.

Lux

Mudbird, one of the things Cornelia (like most HMs I've experienced) is very sensitive to is water.
She is NOT drought-tolerant.
So she will always do her best (once established) with an ample supply of water.

Jeri

Jeri - that's interesting about the Hybrid Musks being sensitive to drought. I'll keep that in mind as I've got a few HMs to plant out. Sounds like they're better off planted away from greedy tree roots.
Lux - I'm in zone 10, just inland & uphill of Venice, CA. I've got several Mme. Alfred Carriere's planted that are mostly mildew free. However, I tried one planted on a northwest wall that gets a lot of ocean wind and it was miserable. The happy Mme. AC in my yard are really big and would overwhelm a small tree. Have you tried planint a rose to grow up a palm tree? I've only seen this in photos.

Okay I am back thinking about this. I need to google some of these suggestions. I am in zone 8...soggy PNW. This is going to have to be a plan for next year..or maybe the fall as many of the rose suppliers are out of stock on roses. Anyway Paparoseman suggested Banksia roses..hope I spelled that right. I am leaning toward a light color since it is dark in this area. I am going to get a whiskey barrel as suggested..and work the soil under the pot and cut out the bottom..should give it a start anyway. I want a monster light colored rambling rose that I can get to go up the tree. This weekend I am going to google all these choices and think. I am sorta leaning to Mme AC, or Paul's himalyan musk. I still have my Darlow's Enigma..it is a mere twig. Pictures would be great if any of you are inclined. Meanwhile I will attend Heirloom rose meetings and get myself an education

Mudbird, one of the things Cornelia (like most HMs I've experienced) is very sensitive to is water.
She is NOT drought-tolerant.

(Hmmmmmm.............. The most famous Hybrid Musks tend to be Rev. Pemberton's & therefore British. Why am I not surprised to learn they don't like drought? :) )

Prosperity (HM)is shade tolerant and snow white; simply gorgeous. I don't know if it grows that tall but it's not impossible. Its glows in shade and in the evening for sure and it repeats well.
MAC is a great idea, she gets HUGE. I just planted one (from Pickering) and I am already scared that the structure won't be strong enough from year 3 on, and I have second thoughts that I should have planted this rose such a way that she could climb up to a tree. Lamarque is another option though that rose likes warm climate as I read it.

I'm not sure what the etiquette is on cuttings exchanges, but your proposal looks reasonable. You may get more response if you start a dedicated thread.